[NCUC-EC] Justification

farzaneh badii farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
Mon Aug 27 22:02:40 CEST 2018 

copying what the funders  word by word:
"Please accept this note as Public Interest Registry’s confirmation that
the financial support we offered in 2017 was paid to the Non-Commercial
Users Constituency (NCUC) with the understanding that it’s leadership would
use the funds as it saw fit. *The same will be true for 2018 once that
invoice is received.* If NCUC leadership can administer this year’s support
to the benefit of members of either the NCUC or the Not-for-Profit
Operational Concerns constituency,* so much the better*."

If EC has any doubts, they can approach the funders.

I
did not want to jump in but I had to because the EC is not being provided
with accurate information and you made the nonbinding advice decision
unilaterally I believe. Also I saw a couple of interventions here
implicitly or explicitly in support of a candidate from non-ec membersm. I
am not saying NPOC candidates should not be selected, but I want the EC to
be clear that if they decide not to allocate money to NPOC member, it won't
be against any rule and they don't have to provide a justification, their
justification can even be that there were NCUC members that fit the
criteria more (like promising newcomers etc).



On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 3:49 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Farzaneh
>
> The idea of asking for advice to other Chairs or relevant people to
> the decision predates the ICANN63 NCSG/NCUC/NPOC allocation decision.
> You have been a Chair we sought for advice multiple times, as well as
> Rafik and on Onboarding Program the mentor issued advice.
> I was just about to invite Stephanie as observer to this group, as
> advice is never enough.
>
> You are right, the EC can decide to go against NPOC Chair advice and
> that is why I asked for their justification.
>
> I think, though, you are asking the NCUC EC to assume the funders
> would be OK with giving funds always to NCSG/NCUC only when that is
> not what was conveyed to us and we were not involved in the
> conversation anyway.


> Also, Dina Thomas is a member of both NPOC and NCUC so I'm really
> puzzled by this intervention you made here on discarding advice from
> NPOC Chair, as NCUC Chair.
>
> It also just worsens the fact this is NCUC EC last allocation of
> resources NCSG will have this on its domain in 2019. Can't you wait to
> have full power of decision until then?
>
> Best,
>
> Renata
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 4:32 PM, farzaneh badii
> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
> > From the beginning, the idea of reaching out to NCSG and NPOC for
> > "nonbinding" advice was thrown around by Renata and I don't know if it
> was
> > an EC decision.
> >
> > Anyhow, I believe NCUC EC does not have to take on an NCSG or an NPOC
> member
> > for this round, I have said it multiple times, the founders said in 2018
> > NCUC can decide, if decided to include NPOC, then good.
> >
> > If the EC sees that there are NCUC members that should be funded and
> cannot
> > decide on the pool of candidates of NPOC, it is all very justified to
> select
> > two NCUC members for this round too. No other justification is needed.
> > Advice was nonbinding.
> >
> >
> >
> > Farzaneh
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 5:29 PM <ncuc-ec-request at lists.ncuc.org> wrote:
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> >>    1. Re: Fwd: Application for Travel Support for ICANN63
> >>       (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
> >>    2. Re: Fwd: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP outreach plan
> >>       (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
> >>    3. Re: Fwd: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP outreach plan
> >>       (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
> >>    4. Re: Fwd: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP outreach plan
> >>       (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 17:48:01 -0300
> >> From: Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
> >> To: Michael Karanicolas <mkaranicolas at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: Renata Aquino <raquino at gmail.com>, "Exec. Comm"
> >>         <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Fwd: Application for Travel Support for ICANN63
> >> Message-ID:
> >>
> >> <CADAEEV0WQYZV5dLmuDNjpsEkLHn0FoVAbFzacVv=RN8g4aa3Xg at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> I dont think so, Mike. As per usual, we have to slots to fill and the
> only
> >> thing we decided so far was to assign one of those to Shahul. The second
> >> one is yet to be considered and all of us but you have yet to select
> >> someone.
> >>
> >> Re. the CROP, we can only assign it after GSE has approved our outreach
> >> plan. I believe it will most likely be approved but I dont think the
> >> decision has been issued yet.
> >>
> >>
> >> Em qui, 23 de ago de 2018 às 17:41, Michael Karanicolas <
> >> mkaranicolas at gmail.com> escreveu:
> >>
> >> > Ok. So if that's the case, then we only have one slot to assign - and
> >> > I guess Shahul has the majority for that?
> >> >
> >> > Then the question that remains is whether we should do a call for CROP
> >> > - and if we're hoping to assign one for ICANN63, we should put the
> >> > call out soon.
> >> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 5:36 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos
> >> > <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Hey all,
> >> > >
> >> > > What about supporting Ben again ? This was smth that was discussed
> >> > during Panama and maybe its a way forward. Let it be known that this
> is
> >> > not
> >> > yet my vote for the second slot, just a suggestion.
> >> > >
> >> > > Also, on the CROP note, I would rather not give the CROP now for the
> >> > following reasons:
> >> > >
> >> > > 1. the call was for the travel support - a reimbursement based aid -
> >> > maybe if we had advertised it as a CROP we could've had more
> >> > applications
> >> > from other members than the ones who applied for this call.
> >> > > 2. Given that the only member who we could possibly assign the CROP
> to
> >> > has applied to the travel funding as an NPOC member and plans to
> >> > represent
> >> > the constituency in this capacity, I dont think it would be suitable
> to
> >> > assign this crop just yet.
> >> > >
> >> > > Best,
> >> > > bruna
> >> > >
> >> > > Em qua, 22 de ago de 2018 às 11:52, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <
> >> > raquino at gmail.com> escreveu:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Thank you all for your votes.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Shahul Hameed has now EC Majority.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Dina Thomas has 1 vote and NPOC Chair support.
> >> > >> Should you not wish to support the candidate, please send in your
> >> > justification.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> The CROP slot for an EU member is still a hypothetical, until we
> know
> >> > >> if our CROP Outreach Plan has been approved or not.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> And please refrain from identifying people with immigration issues,
> >> > >> this is personal data and should not be published on our open list.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> We are missing votes from NCUC EU and a vote for the 2nd slot from
> >> > >> NCUC AP, NCUC AF, NCUC LAC
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Best,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Renata
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Bruna Martins dos Santos
> >> > >
> >> > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
> >> > > @boomartins
> >> > > _______________________________________________
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> >> > > NCUC-EC at lists.ncuc.org
> >> > > https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
> >>
> >> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
> >> @boomartins
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> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 18:17:41 -0300
> >> From: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> >> To: Michael Karanicolas <mkaranicolas at gmail.com>, Maryam Bakoshi
> >>         <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> >> Cc: "Exec. Comm" <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Fwd: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP
> >>         outreach plan
> >> Message-ID:
> >>
> >> <CAMokdMzB7V0tT1sdFZANy-evf-B0F1+j3MteZZ=WVwKZKiReKw at mail.gmail.com>
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> >>
> >> I am at a loss as well, Michael.
> >>
> >> The context is: we have sent our CROP Outreach Plan for approval, just
> >> like last year.
> >> We tried to adapt it to the new CROP requirements yet follow along the
> >> lines of the plan last year which was approved without any issue.
> >> We had 2 VPs in favor
> >>
> >> This VP has made the points below and we need to reply.
> >> Since he is VP NA, I am asking if you would like to contribute with
> >> any information, as you were also a CROP recipient for the region.
> >>
> >> Should you have nothing to add, I'll draft something and send it as a
> >> response. Probably direct him to your blog post.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Renata
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Michael Karanicolas
> >> <mkaranicolas at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I am confused. Can you please include a bit more context for this?
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:51 AM Renata Aquino Ribeiro
> >> > <raquino at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi
> >> >>
> >> >> Michael, since you are EC NA and this comes from VP NA, can you add
> >> >> anything to this response?
> >> >> ---------- Mensagem encaminhada ----------
> >> >> De: "Maryam Bakoshi" <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> >> >> Data: 23 de ago de 2018 05:31
> >> >> Assunto: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP outreach plan
> >> >> Para: "raquino at gmail.com" <raquino at gmail.com>
> >> >> Cc:
> >> >>
> >> >> Dear Renata,
> >> >>
> >> >> Chris Mondini made the comment below regarding the NCUC outreach
> plan.
> >> >>
> >> >> It would be nice to see mention of working with Regional Org staff to
> >> >> partner on outreach or other events that go beyond just ICANN
> meetings.
> >> >> Also
> >> >> there is a lack of concrete metrics.  It is fine, but I think it
> could
> >> >> be
> >> >> more detailed and actionable.
> >> >>
> >> >> —
> >> >> Many thanks,
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
> >> >> ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
> >> >> S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: ‭+44 7846 471777‬
> >> >>
> >> >>
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> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 18:20:29 -0300
> >> From: Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
> >> To: Renata Aquino <raquino at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: Michael Karanicolas <mkaranicolas at gmail.com>, Maryam Bakoshi
> >>         <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>,  "Exec. Comm" <
> ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Fwd: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP
> >>         outreach plan
> >> Message-ID:
> >>
> >> <CADAEEV3zmxHyeJ_RQ4TX-0JXdF0w9Cy8oOKL8kEc4FFesyHriQ at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> As per my understanding, Chris's consideration was for us to include a
> >> sentence in our outreach plan that would express the constituency's
> >> willingness to work closely with GSE teams in identifying other meetings
> >> where the CROP would be applicable and that our members could be
> sponsored
> >> to.  - I would have problems with that as we mentioned all  3 ICANN
> >> meetings given that there was not yet an understanding regarding the
> >> meetings other than the ICANN ones that the CROP would be applicable to.
> >>
> >> Is that correct, @Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org> ?
> >>
> >> Em qui, 23 de ago de 2018 às 18:18, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
> >> <raquino at gmail.com>
> >> escreveu:
> >>
> >> > I am at a loss as well, Michael.
> >> >
> >> > The context is: we have sent our CROP Outreach Plan for approval, just
> >> > like last year.
> >> > We tried to adapt it to the new CROP requirements yet follow along the
> >> > lines of the plan last year which was approved without any issue.
> >> > We had 2 VPs in favor
> >> >
> >> > This VP has made the points below and we need to reply.
> >> > Since he is VP NA, I am asking if you would like to contribute with
> >> > any information, as you were also a CROP recipient for the region.
> >> >
> >> > Should you have nothing to add, I'll draft something and send it as a
> >> > response. Probably direct him to your blog post.
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> >
> >> > Renata
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Michael Karanicolas
> >> > <mkaranicolas at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > I am confused. Can you please include a bit more context for this?
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:51 AM Renata Aquino Ribeiro <
> >> > raquino at gmail.com>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Hi
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Michael, since you are EC NA and this comes from VP NA, can you add
> >> > >> anything to this response?
> >> > >> ---------- Mensagem encaminhada ----------
> >> > >> De: "Maryam Bakoshi" <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> >> > >> Data: 23 de ago de 2018 05:31
> >> > >> Assunto: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP outreach plan
> >> > >> Para: "raquino at gmail.com" <raquino at gmail.com>
> >> > >> Cc:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Dear Renata,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Chris Mondini made the comment below regarding the NCUC outreach
> >> > >> plan.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> It would be nice to see mention of working with Regional Org staff
> to
> >> > >> partner on outreach or other events that go beyond just ICANN
> >> > >> meetings.
> >> > Also
> >> > >> there is a lack of concrete metrics.  It is fine, but I think it
> >> > >> could
> >> > be
> >> > >> more detailed and actionable.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> —
> >> > >> Many thanks,
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
> >> > >> ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
> >> > >> S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: ‭+44 7846 471777‬
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> _______________________________________________
> >> > >> NCUC-EC mailing list
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> >>
> >> --
> >> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
> >>
> >> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
> >> @boomartins
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> >> Message: 4
> >> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 18:28:14 -0300
> >> From: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> >> To: Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: Michael Karanicolas <mkaranicolas at gmail.com>, Maryam Bakoshi
> >>         <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>,  "Exec. Comm" <
> ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Fwd: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP
> >>         outreach plan
> >> Message-ID:
> >>
> >> <CAMokdMx1Cnah1WqS4VF7qkDyvU0tDrywtjb9JJE430ifB1mDvA at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >>
> >> Maryam can you follow up on GSE sponsorship plan again please?
> >>
> >> But Bruna, he says nothing of other meetings but regional work.
> >> So again, at a loss here. I thought we were very mindful of NA.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 6:20 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos
> >> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > As per my understanding, Chris's consideration was for us to include a
> >> > sentence in our outreach plan that would express the constituency's
> >> > willingness to work closely with GSE teams in identifying other
> meetings
> >> > where the CROP would be applicable and that our members could be
> >> > sponsored
> >> > to.  - I would have problems with that as we mentioned all  3 ICANN
> >> > meetings
> >> > given that there was not yet an understanding regarding the meetings
> >> > other
> >> > than the ICANN ones that the CROP would be applicable to.
> >> >
> >> > Is that correct, @Maryam Bakoshi ?
> >> >
> >> > Em qui, 23 de ago de 2018 às 18:18, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
> >> > <raquino at gmail.com> escreveu:
> >> >>
> >> >> I am at a loss as well, Michael.
> >> >>
> >> >> The context is: we have sent our CROP Outreach Plan for approval,
> just
> >> >> like last year.
> >> >> We tried to adapt it to the new CROP requirements yet follow along
> the
> >> >> lines of the plan last year which was approved without any issue.
> >> >> We had 2 VPs in favor
> >> >>
> >> >> This VP has made the points below and we need to reply.
> >> >> Since he is VP NA, I am asking if you would like to contribute with
> >> >> any information, as you were also a CROP recipient for the region.
> >> >>
> >> >> Should you have nothing to add, I'll draft something and send it as a
> >> >> response. Probably direct him to your blog post.
> >> >>
> >> >> Best,
> >> >>
> >> >> Renata
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Michael Karanicolas
> >> >> <mkaranicolas at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > I am confused. Can you please include a bit more context for this?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:51 AM Renata Aquino Ribeiro
> >> >> > <raquino at gmail.com>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Hi
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Michael, since you are EC NA and this comes from VP NA, can you
> add
> >> >> >> anything to this response?
> >> >> >> ---------- Mensagem encaminhada ----------
> >> >> >> De: "Maryam Bakoshi" <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> >> >> >> Data: 23 de ago de 2018 05:31
> >> >> >> Assunto: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP outreach plan
> >> >> >> Para: "raquino at gmail.com" <raquino at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> Cc:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Dear Renata,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Chris Mondini made the comment below regarding the NCUC outreach
> >> >> >> plan.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It would be nice to see mention of working with Regional Org staff
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> partner on outreach or other events that go beyond just ICANN
> >> >> >> meetings.
> >> >> >> Also
> >> >> >> there is a lack of concrete metrics.  It is fine, but I think it
> >> >> >> could
> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> more detailed and actionable.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> —
> >> >> >> Many thanks,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
> >> >> >> ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
> >> >> >> S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: ‭+44 7846 471777‬
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Bruna Martins dos Santos
> >> >
> >> > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
> >> > @boomartins
> >>
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