[NCUC-EC] Justification
Renata Aquino Ribeiro
raquino at gmail.com
Tue Aug 28 00:14:02 CEST 2018
Hi Farzaneh
So now the NCUC can talk about the process of communication with the funders?
Interesting since the NCUC had requested a meeting with you to discuss
this when it was in development and the request was denied.
Also you think this is an unilateral decision yet you`ve never spoke
about it before in NCSG open list and this list, and you also advised
on NCSG member
Had there been NCSG candidades, would you be so adamant about
defending them as do discarding NPOC ones?
Jump in and try to manipulate the EC all you want to, since I was even
asked before by NCSG members to remove all of the EC, I have no doubts
to the lengths you can go.
NCUC has lost everything to NCSG in 2018, PIR Representation, funds
exclusively to NCUC members, At-Large outreach, now you want the EC to
be an extension of NCSG too.
I can only be glad I`m leaving not to see this.
Best,
Renata
On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 5:02 PM, farzaneh badii
<farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
> copying what the funders word by word:
> "Please accept this note as Public Interest Registry’s confirmation that the
> financial support we offered in 2017 was paid to the Non-Commercial Users
> Constituency (NCUC) with the understanding that it’s leadership would use
> the funds as it saw fit. The same will be true for 2018 once that invoice is
> received. If NCUC leadership can administer this year’s support to the
> benefit of members of either the NCUC or the Not-for-Profit Operational
> Concerns constituency, so much the better."
>
> If EC has any doubts, they can approach the funders.
>
> I did not want to jump in but I had to because the EC is not being provided
> with accurate information and you made the nonbinding advice decision
> unilaterally I believe. Also I saw a couple of interventions here implicitly
> or explicitly in support of a candidate from non-ec membersm. I am not
> saying NPOC candidates should not be selected, but I want the EC to be clear
> that if they decide not to allocate money to NPOC member, it won't be
> against any rule and they don't have to provide a justification, their
> justification can even be that there were NCUC members that fit the criteria
> more (like promising newcomers etc).
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 3:49 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Farzaneh
>>
>> The idea of asking for advice to other Chairs or relevant people to
>> the decision predates the ICANN63 NCSG/NCUC/NPOC allocation decision.
>> You have been a Chair we sought for advice multiple times, as well as
>> Rafik and on Onboarding Program the mentor issued advice.
>> I was just about to invite Stephanie as observer to this group, as
>> advice is never enough.
>>
>> You are right, the EC can decide to go against NPOC Chair advice and
>> that is why I asked for their justification.
>>
>> I think, though, you are asking the NCUC EC to assume the funders
>> would be OK with giving funds always to NCSG/NCUC only when that is
>> not what was conveyed to us and we were not involved in the
>> conversation anyway.
>>
>>
>> Also, Dina Thomas is a member of both NPOC and NCUC so I'm really
>> puzzled by this intervention you made here on discarding advice from
>> NPOC Chair, as NCUC Chair.
>>
>> It also just worsens the fact this is NCUC EC last allocation of
>> resources NCSG will have this on its domain in 2019. Can't you wait to
>> have full power of decision until then?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Renata
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 4:32 PM, farzaneh badii
>> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > From the beginning, the idea of reaching out to NCSG and NPOC for
>> > "nonbinding" advice was thrown around by Renata and I don't know if it
>> > was
>> > an EC decision.
>> >
>> > Anyhow, I believe NCUC EC does not have to take on an NCSG or an NPOC
>> > member
>> > for this round, I have said it multiple times, the founders said in 2018
>> > NCUC can decide, if decided to include NPOC, then good.
>> >
>> > If the EC sees that there are NCUC members that should be funded and
>> > cannot
>> > decide on the pool of candidates of NPOC, it is all very justified to
>> > select
>> > two NCUC members for this round too. No other justification is needed.
>> > Advice was nonbinding.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Farzaneh
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 5:29 PM <ncuc-ec-request at lists.ncuc.org> wrote:
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>> >> 1. Re: Fwd: Application for Travel Support for ICANN63
>> >> (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
>> >> 2. Re: Fwd: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP outreach plan
>> >> (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
>> >> 3. Re: Fwd: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP outreach plan
>> >> (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
>> >> 4. Re: Fwd: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP outreach plan
>> >> (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Message: 1
>> >> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 17:48:01 -0300
>> >> From: Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
>> >> To: Michael Karanicolas <mkaranicolas at gmail.com>
>> >> Cc: Renata Aquino <raquino at gmail.com>, "Exec. Comm"
>> >> <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Fwd: Application for Travel Support for ICANN63
>> >> Message-ID:
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >> I dont think so, Mike. As per usual, we have to slots to fill and the
>> >> only
>> >> thing we decided so far was to assign one of those to Shahul. The
>> >> second
>> >> one is yet to be considered and all of us but you have yet to select
>> >> someone.
>> >>
>> >> Re. the CROP, we can only assign it after GSE has approved our outreach
>> >> plan. I believe it will most likely be approved but I dont think the
>> >> decision has been issued yet.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Em qui, 23 de ago de 2018 às 17:41, Michael Karanicolas <
>> >> mkaranicolas at gmail.com> escreveu:
>> >>
>> >> > Ok. So if that's the case, then we only have one slot to assign - and
>> >> > I guess Shahul has the majority for that?
>> >> >
>> >> > Then the question that remains is whether we should do a call for
>> >> > CROP
>> >> > - and if we're hoping to assign one for ICANN63, we should put the
>> >> > call out soon.
>> >> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 5:36 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >> > <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Hey all,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > What about supporting Ben again ? This was smth that was discussed
>> >> > during Panama and maybe its a way forward. Let it be known that this
>> >> > is
>> >> > not
>> >> > yet my vote for the second slot, just a suggestion.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Also, on the CROP note, I would rather not give the CROP now for
>> >> > > the
>> >> > following reasons:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 1. the call was for the travel support - a reimbursement based aid
>> >> > > -
>> >> > maybe if we had advertised it as a CROP we could've had more
>> >> > applications
>> >> > from other members than the ones who applied for this call.
>> >> > > 2. Given that the only member who we could possibly assign the CROP
>> >> > > to
>> >> > has applied to the travel funding as an NPOC member and plans to
>> >> > represent
>> >> > the constituency in this capacity, I dont think it would be suitable
>> >> > to
>> >> > assign this crop just yet.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Best,
>> >> > > bruna
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Em qua, 22 de ago de 2018 às 11:52, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <
>> >> > raquino at gmail.com> escreveu:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Thank you all for your votes.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Shahul Hameed has now EC Majority.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Dina Thomas has 1 vote and NPOC Chair support.
>> >> > >> Should you not wish to support the candidate, please send in your
>> >> > justification.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> The CROP slot for an EU member is still a hypothetical, until we
>> >> > >> know
>> >> > >> if our CROP Outreach Plan has been approved or not.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> And please refrain from identifying people with immigration
>> >> > >> issues,
>> >> > >> this is personal data and should not be published on our open
>> >> > >> list.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> We are missing votes from NCUC EU and a vote for the 2nd slot from
>> >> > >> NCUC AP, NCUC AF, NCUC LAC
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Best,
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Renata
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> >> > > @boomartins
>> >> > > _______________________________________________
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>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>> >>
>> >> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> >> @boomartins
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>> >>
>> >> Message: 2
>> >> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 18:17:41 -0300
>> >> From: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> To: Michael Karanicolas <mkaranicolas at gmail.com>, Maryam Bakoshi
>> >> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> >> Cc: "Exec. Comm" <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Fwd: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP
>> >> outreach plan
>> >> Message-ID:
>> >>
>> >> <CAMokdMzB7V0tT1sdFZANy-evf-B0F1+j3MteZZ=WVwKZKiReKw at mail.gmail.com>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> >>
>> >> I am at a loss as well, Michael.
>> >>
>> >> The context is: we have sent our CROP Outreach Plan for approval, just
>> >> like last year.
>> >> We tried to adapt it to the new CROP requirements yet follow along the
>> >> lines of the plan last year which was approved without any issue.
>> >> We had 2 VPs in favor
>> >>
>> >> This VP has made the points below and we need to reply.
>> >> Since he is VP NA, I am asking if you would like to contribute with
>> >> any information, as you were also a CROP recipient for the region.
>> >>
>> >> Should you have nothing to add, I'll draft something and send it as a
>> >> response. Probably direct him to your blog post.
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Renata
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Michael Karanicolas
>> >> <mkaranicolas at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > I am confused. Can you please include a bit more context for this?
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:51 AM Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >> > <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Michael, since you are EC NA and this comes from VP NA, can you add
>> >> >> anything to this response?
>> >> >> ---------- Mensagem encaminhada ----------
>> >> >> De: "Maryam Bakoshi" <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> >> >> Data: 23 de ago de 2018 05:31
>> >> >> Assunto: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP outreach plan
>> >> >> Para: "raquino at gmail.com" <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> >> Cc:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dear Renata,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Chris Mondini made the comment below regarding the NCUC outreach
>> >> >> plan.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It would be nice to see mention of working with Regional Org staff
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> partner on outreach or other events that go beyond just ICANN
>> >> >> meetings.
>> >> >> Also
>> >> >> there is a lack of concrete metrics. It is fine, but I think it
>> >> >> could
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> more detailed and actionable.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> —
>> >> >> Many thanks,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>> >> >> ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>> >> >> S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Message: 3
>> >> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 18:20:29 -0300
>> >> From: Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
>> >> To: Renata Aquino <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> Cc: Michael Karanicolas <mkaranicolas at gmail.com>, Maryam Bakoshi
>> >> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>, "Exec. Comm"
>> >> <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Fwd: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP
>> >> outreach plan
>> >> Message-ID:
>> >>
>> >> <CADAEEV3zmxHyeJ_RQ4TX-0JXdF0w9Cy8oOKL8kEc4FFesyHriQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >>
>> >> As per my understanding, Chris's consideration was for us to include a
>> >> sentence in our outreach plan that would express the constituency's
>> >> willingness to work closely with GSE teams in identifying other
>> >> meetings
>> >> where the CROP would be applicable and that our members could be
>> >> sponsored
>> >> to. - I would have problems with that as we mentioned all 3 ICANN
>> >> meetings given that there was not yet an understanding regarding the
>> >> meetings other than the ICANN ones that the CROP would be applicable
>> >> to.
>> >>
>> >> Is that correct, @Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org> ?
>> >>
>> >> Em qui, 23 de ago de 2018 às 18:18, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >> <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> escreveu:
>> >>
>> >> > I am at a loss as well, Michael.
>> >> >
>> >> > The context is: we have sent our CROP Outreach Plan for approval,
>> >> > just
>> >> > like last year.
>> >> > We tried to adapt it to the new CROP requirements yet follow along
>> >> > the
>> >> > lines of the plan last year which was approved without any issue.
>> >> > We had 2 VPs in favor
>> >> >
>> >> > This VP has made the points below and we need to reply.
>> >> > Since he is VP NA, I am asking if you would like to contribute with
>> >> > any information, as you were also a CROP recipient for the region.
>> >> >
>> >> > Should you have nothing to add, I'll draft something and send it as a
>> >> > response. Probably direct him to your blog post.
>> >> >
>> >> > Best,
>> >> >
>> >> > Renata
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Michael Karanicolas
>> >> > <mkaranicolas at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > I am confused. Can you please include a bit more context for this?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:51 AM Renata Aquino Ribeiro <
>> >> > raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Hi
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Michael, since you are EC NA and this comes from VP NA, can you
>> >> > >> add
>> >> > >> anything to this response?
>> >> > >> ---------- Mensagem encaminhada ----------
>> >> > >> De: "Maryam Bakoshi" <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> >> > >> Data: 23 de ago de 2018 05:31
>> >> > >> Assunto: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP outreach plan
>> >> > >> Para: "raquino at gmail.com" <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> > >> Cc:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Dear Renata,
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Chris Mondini made the comment below regarding the NCUC outreach
>> >> > >> plan.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> It would be nice to see mention of working with Regional Org staff
>> >> > >> to
>> >> > >> partner on outreach or other events that go beyond just ICANN
>> >> > >> meetings.
>> >> > Also
>> >> > >> there is a lack of concrete metrics. It is fine, but I think it
>> >> > >> could
>> >> > be
>> >> > >> more detailed and actionable.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> —
>> >> > >> Many thanks,
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>> >> > >> ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>> >> > >> S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> _______________________________________________
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>> >>
>> >> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> >> @boomartins
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>> >> Message: 4
>> >> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 18:28:14 -0300
>> >> From: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> To: Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
>> >> Cc: Michael Karanicolas <mkaranicolas at gmail.com>, Maryam Bakoshi
>> >> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>, "Exec. Comm"
>> >> <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Fwd: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP
>> >> outreach plan
>> >> Message-ID:
>> >>
>> >> <CAMokdMx1Cnah1WqS4VF7qkDyvU0tDrywtjb9JJE430ifB1mDvA at mail.gmail.com>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> >>
>> >> Maryam can you follow up on GSE sponsorship plan again please?
>> >>
>> >> But Bruna, he says nothing of other meetings but regional work.
>> >> So again, at a loss here. I thought we were very mindful of NA.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 6:20 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > As per my understanding, Chris's consideration was for us to include
>> >> > a
>> >> > sentence in our outreach plan that would express the constituency's
>> >> > willingness to work closely with GSE teams in identifying other
>> >> > meetings
>> >> > where the CROP would be applicable and that our members could be
>> >> > sponsored
>> >> > to. - I would have problems with that as we mentioned all 3 ICANN
>> >> > meetings
>> >> > given that there was not yet an understanding regarding the meetings
>> >> > other
>> >> > than the ICANN ones that the CROP would be applicable to.
>> >> >
>> >> > Is that correct, @Maryam Bakoshi ?
>> >> >
>> >> > Em qui, 23 de ago de 2018 às 18:18, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >> > <raquino at gmail.com> escreveu:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I am at a loss as well, Michael.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The context is: we have sent our CROP Outreach Plan for approval,
>> >> >> just
>> >> >> like last year.
>> >> >> We tried to adapt it to the new CROP requirements yet follow along
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> lines of the plan last year which was approved without any issue.
>> >> >> We had 2 VPs in favor
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This VP has made the points below and we need to reply.
>> >> >> Since he is VP NA, I am asking if you would like to contribute with
>> >> >> any information, as you were also a CROP recipient for the region.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Should you have nothing to add, I'll draft something and send it as
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> response. Probably direct him to your blog post.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Best,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Renata
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Michael Karanicolas
>> >> >> <mkaranicolas at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > I am confused. Can you please include a bit more context for this?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:51 AM Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >> >> > <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Hi
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Michael, since you are EC NA and this comes from VP NA, can you
>> >> >> >> add
>> >> >> >> anything to this response?
>> >> >> >> ---------- Mensagem encaminhada ----------
>> >> >> >> De: "Maryam Bakoshi" <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> >> >> >> Data: 23 de ago de 2018 05:31
>> >> >> >> Assunto: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP outreach plan
>> >> >> >> Para: "raquino at gmail.com" <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> Cc:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Dear Renata,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Chris Mondini made the comment below regarding the NCUC outreach
>> >> >> >> plan.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> It would be nice to see mention of working with Regional Org
>> >> >> >> staff
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> partner on outreach or other events that go beyond just ICANN
>> >> >> >> meetings.
>> >> >> >> Also
>> >> >> >> there is a lack of concrete metrics. It is fine, but I think it
>> >> >> >> could
>> >> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> more detailed and actionable.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> —
>> >> >> >> Many thanks,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>> >> >> >> ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>> >> >> >> S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >> >
>> >> > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> >> > @boomartins
>> >>
>> >>
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