[NCUC-EC] Justification

Renata Aquino Ribeiro raquino at gmail.com
Mon Aug 27 21:48:30 CEST 2018 

Hi Farzaneh

The idea of asking for advice to other Chairs or relevant people to
the decision predates the ICANN63 NCSG/NCUC/NPOC allocation decision.
You have been a Chair we sought for advice multiple times, as well as
Rafik and on Onboarding Program the mentor issued advice.
I was just about to invite Stephanie as observer to this group, as
advice is never enough.

You are right, the EC can decide to go against NPOC Chair advice and
that is why I asked for their justification.

I think, though, you are asking the NCUC EC to assume the funders
would be OK with giving funds always to NCSG/NCUC only when that is
not what was conveyed to us and we were not involved in the
conversation anyway.

Also, Dina Thomas is a member of both NPOC and NCUC so I'm really
puzzled by this intervention you made here on discarding advice from
NPOC Chair, as NCUC Chair.

It also just worsens the fact this is NCUC EC last allocation of
resources NCSG will have this on its domain in 2019. Can't you wait to
have full power of decision until then?

Best,

Renata




On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 4:32 PM, farzaneh badii
<farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
> From the beginning, the idea of reaching out to NCSG and NPOC for
> "nonbinding" advice was thrown around by Renata and I don't know if it was
> an EC decision.
>
> Anyhow, I believe NCUC EC does not have to take on an NCSG or an NPOC member
> for this round, I have said it multiple times, the founders said in 2018
> NCUC can decide, if decided to include NPOC, then good.
>
> If the EC sees that there are NCUC members that should be funded and cannot
> decide on the pool of candidates of NPOC, it is all very justified to select
> two NCUC members for this round too. No other justification is needed.
> Advice was nonbinding.
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 5:29 PM <ncuc-ec-request at lists.ncuc.org> wrote:
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>>    1. Re: Fwd: Application for Travel Support for ICANN63
>>       (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
>>    2. Re: Fwd: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP outreach plan
>>       (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
>>    3. Re: Fwd: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP outreach plan
>>       (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
>>    4. Re: Fwd: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP outreach plan
>>       (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 17:48:01 -0300
>> From: Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
>> To: Michael Karanicolas <mkaranicolas at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Renata Aquino <raquino at gmail.com>, "Exec. Comm"
>>         <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Fwd: Application for Travel Support for ICANN63
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>> I dont think so, Mike. As per usual, we have to slots to fill and the only
>> thing we decided so far was to assign one of those to Shahul. The second
>> one is yet to be considered and all of us but you have yet to select
>> someone.
>>
>> Re. the CROP, we can only assign it after GSE has approved our outreach
>> plan. I believe it will most likely be approved but I dont think the
>> decision has been issued yet.
>>
>>
>> Em qui, 23 de ago de 2018 às 17:41, Michael Karanicolas <
>> mkaranicolas at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>
>> > Ok. So if that's the case, then we only have one slot to assign - and
>> > I guess Shahul has the majority for that?
>> >
>> > Then the question that remains is whether we should do a call for CROP
>> > - and if we're hoping to assign one for ICANN63, we should put the
>> > call out soon.
>> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 5:36 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> > <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hey all,
>> > >
>> > > What about supporting Ben again ? This was smth that was discussed
>> > during Panama and maybe its a way forward. Let it be known that this is
>> > not
>> > yet my vote for the second slot, just a suggestion.
>> > >
>> > > Also, on the CROP note, I would rather not give the CROP now for the
>> > following reasons:
>> > >
>> > > 1. the call was for the travel support - a reimbursement based aid -
>> > maybe if we had advertised it as a CROP we could've had more
>> > applications
>> > from other members than the ones who applied for this call.
>> > > 2. Given that the only member who we could possibly assign the CROP to
>> > has applied to the travel funding as an NPOC member and plans to
>> > represent
>> > the constituency in this capacity, I dont think it would be suitable to
>> > assign this crop just yet.
>> > >
>> > > Best,
>> > > bruna
>> > >
>> > > Em qua, 22 de ago de 2018 às 11:52, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <
>> > raquino at gmail.com> escreveu:
>> > >>
>> > >> Thank you all for your votes.
>> > >>
>> > >> Shahul Hameed has now EC Majority.
>> > >>
>> > >> Dina Thomas has 1 vote and NPOC Chair support.
>> > >> Should you not wish to support the candidate, please send in your
>> > justification.
>> > >>
>> > >> The CROP slot for an EU member is still a hypothetical, until we know
>> > >> if our CROP Outreach Plan has been approved or not.
>> > >>
>> > >> And please refrain from identifying people with immigration issues,
>> > >> this is personal data and should not be published on our open list.
>> > >>
>> > >> We are missing votes from NCUC EU and a vote for the 2nd slot from
>> > >> NCUC AP, NCUC AF, NCUC LAC
>> > >>
>> > >> Best,
>> > >>
>> > >> Renata
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> > >
>> > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> > > @boomartins
>> > > _______________________________________________
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>>
>> --
>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>
>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> @boomartins
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>> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 18:17:41 -0300
>> From: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>> To: Michael Karanicolas <mkaranicolas at gmail.com>, Maryam Bakoshi
>>         <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> Cc: "Exec. Comm" <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Fwd: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP
>>         outreach plan
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>> I am at a loss as well, Michael.
>>
>> The context is: we have sent our CROP Outreach Plan for approval, just
>> like last year.
>> We tried to adapt it to the new CROP requirements yet follow along the
>> lines of the plan last year which was approved without any issue.
>> We had 2 VPs in favor
>>
>> This VP has made the points below and we need to reply.
>> Since he is VP NA, I am asking if you would like to contribute with
>> any information, as you were also a CROP recipient for the region.
>>
>> Should you have nothing to add, I'll draft something and send it as a
>> response. Probably direct him to your blog post.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Renata
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Michael Karanicolas
>> <mkaranicolas at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I am confused. Can you please include a bit more context for this?
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:51 AM Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> > <raquino at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi
>> >>
>> >> Michael, since you are EC NA and this comes from VP NA, can you add
>> >> anything to this response?
>> >> ---------- Mensagem encaminhada ----------
>> >> De: "Maryam Bakoshi" <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> >> Data: 23 de ago de 2018 05:31
>> >> Assunto: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP outreach plan
>> >> Para: "raquino at gmail.com" <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> Cc:
>> >>
>> >> Dear Renata,
>> >>
>> >> Chris Mondini made the comment below regarding the NCUC outreach plan.
>> >>
>> >> It would be nice to see mention of working with Regional Org staff to
>> >> partner on outreach or other events that go beyond just ICANN meetings.
>> >> Also
>> >> there is a lack of concrete metrics.  It is fine, but I think it could
>> >> be
>> >> more detailed and actionable.
>> >>
>> >> —
>> >> Many thanks,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>> >> ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>> >> S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: ‭+44 7846 471777‬
>> >>
>> >>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 18:20:29 -0300
>> From: Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
>> To: Renata Aquino <raquino at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Michael Karanicolas <mkaranicolas at gmail.com>, Maryam Bakoshi
>>         <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>,  "Exec. Comm" <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Fwd: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP
>>         outreach plan
>> Message-ID:
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>> As per my understanding, Chris's consideration was for us to include a
>> sentence in our outreach plan that would express the constituency's
>> willingness to work closely with GSE teams in identifying other meetings
>> where the CROP would be applicable and that our members could be sponsored
>> to.  - I would have problems with that as we mentioned all  3 ICANN
>> meetings given that there was not yet an understanding regarding the
>> meetings other than the ICANN ones that the CROP would be applicable to.
>>
>> Is that correct, @Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org> ?
>>
>> Em qui, 23 de ago de 2018 às 18:18, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> <raquino at gmail.com>
>> escreveu:
>>
>> > I am at a loss as well, Michael.
>> >
>> > The context is: we have sent our CROP Outreach Plan for approval, just
>> > like last year.
>> > We tried to adapt it to the new CROP requirements yet follow along the
>> > lines of the plan last year which was approved without any issue.
>> > We had 2 VPs in favor
>> >
>> > This VP has made the points below and we need to reply.
>> > Since he is VP NA, I am asking if you would like to contribute with
>> > any information, as you were also a CROP recipient for the region.
>> >
>> > Should you have nothing to add, I'll draft something and send it as a
>> > response. Probably direct him to your blog post.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Renata
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Michael Karanicolas
>> > <mkaranicolas at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > I am confused. Can you please include a bit more context for this?
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:51 AM Renata Aquino Ribeiro <
>> > raquino at gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi
>> > >>
>> > >> Michael, since you are EC NA and this comes from VP NA, can you add
>> > >> anything to this response?
>> > >> ---------- Mensagem encaminhada ----------
>> > >> De: "Maryam Bakoshi" <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> > >> Data: 23 de ago de 2018 05:31
>> > >> Assunto: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP outreach plan
>> > >> Para: "raquino at gmail.com" <raquino at gmail.com>
>> > >> Cc:
>> > >>
>> > >> Dear Renata,
>> > >>
>> > >> Chris Mondini made the comment below regarding the NCUC outreach
>> > >> plan.
>> > >>
>> > >> It would be nice to see mention of working with Regional Org staff to
>> > >> partner on outreach or other events that go beyond just ICANN
>> > >> meetings.
>> > Also
>> > >> there is a lack of concrete metrics.  It is fine, but I think it
>> > >> could
>> > be
>> > >> more detailed and actionable.
>> > >>
>> > >> —
>> > >> Many thanks,
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>> > >> ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>> > >> S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: ‭+44 7846 471777‬
>> > >>
>> > >>
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>> --
>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>
>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
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>> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 18:28:14 -0300
>> From: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>> To: Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Michael Karanicolas <mkaranicolas at gmail.com>, Maryam Bakoshi
>>         <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>,  "Exec. Comm" <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Fwd: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP
>>         outreach plan
>> Message-ID:
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>> Maryam can you follow up on GSE sponsorship plan again please?
>>
>> But Bruna, he says nothing of other meetings but regional work.
>> So again, at a loss here. I thought we were very mindful of NA.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 6:20 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > As per my understanding, Chris's consideration was for us to include a
>> > sentence in our outreach plan that would express the constituency's
>> > willingness to work closely with GSE teams in identifying other meetings
>> > where the CROP would be applicable and that our members could be
>> > sponsored
>> > to.  - I would have problems with that as we mentioned all  3 ICANN
>> > meetings
>> > given that there was not yet an understanding regarding the meetings
>> > other
>> > than the ICANN ones that the CROP would be applicable to.
>> >
>> > Is that correct, @Maryam Bakoshi ?
>> >
>> > Em qui, 23 de ago de 2018 às 18:18, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> > <raquino at gmail.com> escreveu:
>> >>
>> >> I am at a loss as well, Michael.
>> >>
>> >> The context is: we have sent our CROP Outreach Plan for approval, just
>> >> like last year.
>> >> We tried to adapt it to the new CROP requirements yet follow along the
>> >> lines of the plan last year which was approved without any issue.
>> >> We had 2 VPs in favor
>> >>
>> >> This VP has made the points below and we need to reply.
>> >> Since he is VP NA, I am asking if you would like to contribute with
>> >> any information, as you were also a CROP recipient for the region.
>> >>
>> >> Should you have nothing to add, I'll draft something and send it as a
>> >> response. Probably direct him to your blog post.
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Renata
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Michael Karanicolas
>> >> <mkaranicolas at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > I am confused. Can you please include a bit more context for this?
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:51 AM Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >> > <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Michael, since you are EC NA and this comes from VP NA, can you add
>> >> >> anything to this response?
>> >> >> ---------- Mensagem encaminhada ----------
>> >> >> De: "Maryam Bakoshi" <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> >> >> Data: 23 de ago de 2018 05:31
>> >> >> Assunto: Question from Chris Mondini - CROP outreach plan
>> >> >> Para: "raquino at gmail.com" <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> >> Cc:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dear Renata,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Chris Mondini made the comment below regarding the NCUC outreach
>> >> >> plan.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It would be nice to see mention of working with Regional Org staff
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> partner on outreach or other events that go beyond just ICANN
>> >> >> meetings.
>> >> >> Also
>> >> >> there is a lack of concrete metrics.  It is fine, but I think it
>> >> >> could
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> more detailed and actionable.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> —
>> >> >> Many thanks,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>> >> >> ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>> >> >> S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: ‭+44 7846 471777‬
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >
>> > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> > @boomartins
>>
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