[NCUC-EC] Fwd: Funding civil society day before IGF

hfaiedh ines hfaiedh.ines2 at gmail.com
Sun Nov 26 09:56:08 CET 2017 

Hi everyone

I do believe that it is important for us to have a presence at the "civil
society day before IGF".
That said, I do have an issue here: this seems to be an event for " civil
society networks namely: EFF, NCSG, APC, IGC, JNC". There s some procedural
issue here: Funding an event that is not 'directly' for NCUC and
participants that NCUC EC won't be involved in selecting

1. Can we have an idea how could this be an NCUC outreach? Where's NCUC
here.

2. Adding our EC Europe Rep at the last minute for the opening does not
make it an NCUC outreach sorry.

3. So 1500$ could go for food and partial travel funding? Who are those who
are going to be funded? Are we the ones who will select them?

5. Does NCSG have funds? Was NPOC asked to help as well?

Dear Michael, I would lean toward helping in sponsoring the event if we
have a better understanding of where our contribution would go. What do you
think?
Hence, I would kindly ask Farzaneh to help us in the decision by:

A- Giving us a breakout of expenses.

B- Elaborating on how we can have NCUC presence effective and acknowledged
at the event.

C- How will partial funding go? NCUC members or not? Travel and/or
accomodation? Who will select them?

D- Would 800 $ help? The costs are around 2200$ and there are 5 members in
the coalition that should also step up to the plate.

On Nov 25, 2017 22:04, "Renata Aquino Ribeiro" <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you Louise, for your input

As soon as we get closer to the event, we'll check w/ EC again if and
how we are going to do this opening.
Whoever does, I think this is where we will "stand our ground" so will
be important we build it collectively



On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:01 PM, Louise Marie Hurel
<louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com> wrote:
> My apologies for the delay just got back to London
>
> So, my first reaction would be "yes". Given that the IGF is in *Geneva* it
> certainly makes it much harder for civil society groups, academics and
> non-commercial stakeholders overall to attend. Also, NCUC has been
actively
> engaged in previous Best Bits meetings and supporting it seems like a
> natural path to take. Thus, I would agree with helping the event.
>
> As for opening the event, I would be happy to do so but don't know if I'll
> arrive in time for the opening. Can confirm this information later.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Louise Marie Hurel
>
> Cybersecurity Project Coordinator | Igarapé Institute
>
> London School of Economics (LSE) Media and Communications (Data and
Society)
>
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>
>
> 2017-11-25 16:35 GMT+00:00 Michael Karanicolas <michael at law-democracy.org
>:
>>
>> Ok - so if I understand this correctly - the funding wouldn't actually go
>> towards our participation, or getting a representative there, but rather
>> towards sponsoring the event itself?
>>
>> If that's the case, I would lean against it. Again, this comes back to
the
>> difference of whether or not we're a "funding organization". If the
event is
>> likely to go forward either way, I am doubtful as to whether this
>> expenditure would provide much of a boost for the NCUC. If it were about
>> actually bringing someone to IGF, I'd be more sympathetic.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com
>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> EC, remember you don't need to approve the full request. You can
>>> provide funding for a lesser amount.
>>>
>>> Michael, in answer to your question, more information form Farzaneh
below
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 10:22 PM
>>> Subject: More information
>>> To: Renata Aquino <raquino at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Renata,
>>>
>>> Civil Society day is a pre-IGF event which is organized by various
>>> civil society networks namely: EFF, NCSG, APC, IGC, JNC.
>>>
>>> The event is normally attended by around 50-60 people.
>>>
>>> Most of the networks pitch in money, or source money. EFF pitches
>>> money in, and NCUC funded civil society day last year too (I think
>>> around 1000 USD). Food in Geneva is expensive, the menu that we are
>>> looking at is around 2200 CHF (Swiss Frank). We asked ICANN to fund it
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> At the moment Jeremy told me that to serve lunch during the event, it
>>> comes to 2200 USD. If ICANN and EFF chip in too we can have a pot of
>>> money to cover food and cover partial travel funding upon request.
>>>
>>>  Some put forward their request in registration list to get partial
>>> funding to attend the meeting. The program committee decides on who
>>> gets funded and for how much(program committee consists of the
>>> networks reps: IGC, NCSG EFF, APC, JNC. The participants can be
>>> members of the civil society networks, bestbits etc. Last year for
>>> Mexico I think we supported partially two travelers from LAC.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>>> <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > fwding a Michael's message to this list which got sidetracked
>>> > I'll answer soon
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> >> From: Mike <mkaranicolas at gmail.com>
>>> >> To: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>>> >> Cc: Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>, "Exec. Comm"
>>> >> <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
>>> >> Bcc:
>>> >> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 17:32:05 -0400
>>> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Fwd: Funding civil society day before IGF
>>> >> I have no objection, but can we get a bit more details as to where
the
>>> >> money is going? Who are the “selected participants”? 1500 is a lot
for food
>>> >> - presumably that’s toward airfare and accommodation too?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Nov 24, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>>> >>> <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi Bruna
>>> >>>
>>> >>> No, the our Procedures require us to analyse case by case and
>>> >>> recommend an average amount (which is smaller) for more general and
>>> >>> urgent requests.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The Civil Society Meeting (this is the correct name) has had funded
>>> >>> travellers before. I guess it depends on their final balance of
>>> >>> expenses whether the money will go to fund a new traveller or help
>>> >>> pay
>>> >>> for extra hotel nights to attend, for instance.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos
>>> >>> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> Renata,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Given what was stated in Farzi's email - the fact that you'll be in
>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>> opening ceremony and that Farzi will also have a moment to brief
>>> >>>> people
>>> >>>> about NCSG/NCUC - the bestbits meeting can be considered the NCUC
>>> >>>> outreaching event for the IGF and I would not oppose on giving some
>>> >>>> money to
>>> >>>> the event.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> One question though, are we supporting members for the IGF itself
or
>>> >>>> when we
>>> >>>> talk about the 1500 USD for food and modest travel funding are we
>>> >>>> considering funding more people ?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Also, does the operating procedures oppose to the amount of money
>>> >>>> requested
>>> >>>> ? (not from my initial reading)
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> best,
>>> >>>> B
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 2017-11-24 12:55 GMT-02:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>>> >>>> <raquino at gmail.com>:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Dear EC
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I'm forwarding Farzaneh's request for NCUC EC to support civil
>>> >>>>> society
>>> >>>>> day.
>>> >>>>> In previous editions this event also had NCUC support.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> NCUC Operating Procedures mention allocation of funds on itens VI
>>> >>>>> and VII
>>> >>>>> https://www.ncuc.org/ncuc-operating-procedures/
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Although this event is a budget higher than the average
recommended
>>> >>>>> for approval (USD 500) and the timeline is a bit short, you must
>>> >>>>> also
>>> >>>>> have in mind we have had no budget for outreach events for IGF
>>> >>>>> approved, we do have a workshop there, and our traditional form
for
>>> >>>>> outreach is to be reviewed, so the request was sent via email
>>> >>>>> because
>>> >>>>> of that.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I would also ask Farzaneh to provide materials to publicize the
>>> >>>>> event
>>> >>>>> before and after the meeting (program and report - with speakers
>>> >>>>> main
>>> >>>>> points).
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Please review the request and send in your comments
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Thanks
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> >>>>> From: farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>> Date: Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 11:22 AM
>>> >>>>> Subject: Funding civil society day before IGF
>>> >>>>> To: Renata Aquino <raquino at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Dear Renata,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I was wondering if you and NCUC EC could consider funding the
civil
>>> >>>>> society day before IGF? I am requesting 1500 USD which goes
towards
>>> >>>>> food and perhaps some modest travel funding for the selected
>>> >>>>> participants.  You as the NCUC chair will open the day with Jovan
>>> >>>>> from
>>> >>>>> Diplo and I have also gotten a brief timeslot to talk about
>>> >>>>> NCUC/NCSG.
>>> >>>>> I am the NCSG rep on the planning committee of this meeting.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Here is the link to the event.
>>> >>>>> https://bestbits.net/events/joint-cs-2017/?instance_id=
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Best
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Farzaneh
>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> Bruna Martins dos Santos
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> +55 61 99252-6512
>>> >>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>>> >>>> @boomartins
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