[NCUC-EC] Fwd: Funding civil society day before IGF

Sun Nov 26 14:17:11 CET 2017

Hi,

Thanks very much for your thoughts. As I understand it, the NCUC
contribution would go towards catering for the event.

USD 800 sounds like a good amount to me - especially as it's a partial
contribution and, looking at the list of co-sponsors, they all seem to
have way more disposable cash than we do. I remain a bit skeptical as
to the value of sponsoring in terms of boosting NCUC outreach beyond
regular participation would, but given that we've had a limited number
of requests thus far, and are halfway through the fiscal year, I guess
we may as well contribute something.

Best,

Michael

On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 4:56 AM, hfaiedh ines <hfaiedh.ines2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> I do believe that it is important for us to have a presence at the "civil
> society day before IGF".
> That said, I do have an issue here: this seems to be an event for " civil
> society networks namely: EFF, NCSG, APC, IGC, JNC". There s some procedural
> issue here: Funding an event that is not 'directly' for NCUC and
> participants that NCUC EC won't be involved in selecting
>
> 1. Can we have an idea how could this be an NCUC outreach? Where's NCUC
> here.
>
> 2. Adding our EC Europe Rep at the last minute for the opening does not make
> it an NCUC outreach sorry.
>
> 3. So 1500$ could go for food and partial travel funding? Who are those who
> are going to be funded? Are we the ones who will select them?
>
> 5. Does NCSG have funds? Was NPOC asked to help as well?
>
> Dear Michael, I would lean toward helping in sponsoring the event if we have
> a better understanding of where our contribution would go. What do you
> think?
> Hence, I would kindly ask Farzaneh to help us in the decision by:
>
> A- Giving us a breakout of expenses.
>
> B- Elaborating on how we can have NCUC presence effective and acknowledged
> at the event.
>
> C- How will partial funding go? NCUC members or not? Travel and/or
> accomodation? Who will select them?
>
> D- Would 800 $ help? The costs are around 2200$ and there are 5 members in
> the coalition that should also step up to the plate.
>
> On Nov 25, 2017 22:04, "Renata Aquino Ribeiro" <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you Louise, for your input
>
> As soon as we get closer to the event, we'll check w/ EC again if and
> how we are going to do this opening.
> Whoever does, I think this is where we will "stand our ground" so will
> be important we build it collectively
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:01 PM, Louise Marie Hurel
> <louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com> wrote:
>> My apologies for the delay just got back to London
>>
>> So, my first reaction would be "yes". Given that the IGF is in *Geneva* it
>> certainly makes it much harder for civil society groups, academics and
>> non-commercial stakeholders overall to attend. Also, NCUC has been
>> actively
>> engaged in previous Best Bits meetings and supporting it seems like a
>> natural path to take. Thus, I would agree with helping the event.
>>
>> As for opening the event, I would be happy to do so but don't know if I'll
>> arrive in time for the opening. Can confirm this information later.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Louise Marie Hurel
>>
>> Cybersecurity Project Coordinator | Igarapé Institute
>>
>> London School of Economics (LSE) Media and Communications (Data and
>> Society)
>>
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>>
>>
>> 2017-11-25 16:35 GMT+00:00 Michael Karanicolas
>> <michael at law-democracy.org>:
>>>
>>> Ok - so if I understand this correctly - the funding wouldn't actually go
>>> towards our participation, or getting a representative there, but rather
>>> towards sponsoring the event itself?
>>>
>>> If that's the case, I would lean against it. Again, this comes back to
>>> the
>>> difference of whether or not we're a "funding organization". If the event
>>> is
>>> likely to go forward either way, I am doubtful as to whether this
>>> expenditure would provide much of a boost for the NCUC. If it were about
>>> actually bringing someone to IGF, I'd be more sympathetic.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>>> <raquino at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> EC, remember you don't need to approve the full request. You can
>>>> provide funding for a lesser amount.
>>>>
>>>> Michael, in answer to your question, more information form Farzaneh
>>>> below
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 10:22 PM
>>>> Subject: More information
>>>> To: Renata Aquino <raquino at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Renata,
>>>>
>>>> Civil Society day is a pre-IGF event which is organized by various
>>>> civil society networks namely: EFF, NCSG, APC, IGC, JNC.
>>>>
>>>> The event is normally attended by around 50-60 people.
>>>>
>>>> Most of the networks pitch in money, or source money. EFF pitches
>>>> money in, and NCUC funded civil society day last year too (I think
>>>> around 1000 USD). Food in Geneva is expensive, the menu that we are
>>>> looking at is around 2200 CHF (Swiss Frank). We asked ICANN to fund it
>>>> as well.
>>>>
>>>> At the moment Jeremy told me that to serve lunch during the event, it
>>>> comes to 2200 USD. If ICANN and EFF chip in too we can have a pot of
>>>> money to cover food and cover partial travel funding upon request.
>>>>
>>>>  Some put forward their request in registration list to get partial
>>>> funding to attend the meeting. The program committee decides on who
>>>> gets funded and for how much(program committee consists of the
>>>> networks reps: IGC, NCSG EFF, APC, JNC. The participants can be
>>>> members of the civil society networks, bestbits etc. Last year for
>>>> Mexico I think we supported partially two travelers from LAC.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>>>> <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > fwding a Michael's message to this list which got sidetracked
>>>> > I'll answer soon
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> >> From: Mike <mkaranicolas at gmail.com>
>>>> >> To: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>>>> >> Cc: Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>, "Exec. Comm"
>>>> >> <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
>>>> >> Bcc:
>>>> >> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 17:32:05 -0400
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Fwd: Funding civil society day before IGF
>>>> >> I have no objection, but can we get a bit more details as to where
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> money is going? Who are the “selected participants”? 1500 is a lot
>>>> >> for food
>>>> >> - presumably that’s toward airfare and accommodation too?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On Nov 24, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>>>> >>> <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Hi Bruna
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> No, the our Procedures require us to analyse case by case and
>>>> >>> recommend an average amount (which is smaller) for more general and
>>>> >>> urgent requests.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The Civil Society Meeting (this is the correct name) has had funded
>>>> >>> travellers before. I guess it depends on their final balance of
>>>> >>> expenses whether the money will go to fund a new traveller or help
>>>> >>> pay
>>>> >>> for extra hotel nights to attend, for instance.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos
>>>> >>> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>> Renata,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Given what was stated in Farzi's email - the fact that you'll be in
>>>> >>>> the
>>>> >>>> opening ceremony and that Farzi will also have a moment to brief
>>>> >>>> people
>>>> >>>> about NCSG/NCUC - the bestbits meeting can be considered the NCUC
>>>> >>>> outreaching event for the IGF and I would not oppose on giving some
>>>> >>>> money to
>>>> >>>> the event.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> One question though, are we supporting members for the IGF itself
>>>> >>>> or
>>>> >>>> when we
>>>> >>>> talk about the 1500 USD for food and modest travel funding are we
>>>> >>>> considering funding more people ?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Also, does the operating procedures oppose to the amount of money
>>>> >>>> requested
>>>> >>>> ? (not from my initial reading)
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> best,
>>>> >>>> B
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> 2017-11-24 12:55 GMT-02:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>>>> >>>> <raquino at gmail.com>:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Dear EC
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I'm forwarding Farzaneh's request for NCUC EC to support civil
>>>> >>>>> society
>>>> >>>>> day.
>>>> >>>>> In previous editions this event also had NCUC support.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> NCUC Operating Procedures mention allocation of funds on itens VI
>>>> >>>>> and VII
>>>> >>>>> https://www.ncuc.org/ncuc-operating-procedures/
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Although this event is a budget higher than the average
>>>> >>>>> recommended
>>>> >>>>> for approval (USD 500) and the timeline is a bit short, you must
>>>> >>>>> also
>>>> >>>>> have in mind we have had no budget for outreach events for IGF
>>>> >>>>> approved, we do have a workshop there, and our traditional form
>>>> >>>>> for
>>>> >>>>> outreach is to be reviewed, so the request was sent via email
>>>> >>>>> because
>>>> >>>>> of that.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I would also ask Farzaneh to provide materials to publicize the
>>>> >>>>> event
>>>> >>>>> before and after the meeting (program and report - with speakers
>>>> >>>>> main
>>>> >>>>> points).
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Please review the request and send in your comments
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Thanks
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> >>>>> From: farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>> Date: Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 11:22 AM
>>>> >>>>> Subject: Funding civil society day before IGF
>>>> >>>>> To: Renata Aquino <raquino at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Dear Renata,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I was wondering if you and NCUC EC could consider funding the
>>>> >>>>> civil
>>>> >>>>> society day before IGF? I am requesting 1500 USD which goes
>>>> >>>>> towards
>>>> >>>>> food and perhaps some modest travel funding for the selected
>>>> >>>>> participants.  You as the NCUC chair will open the day with Jovan
>>>> >>>>> from
>>>> >>>>> Diplo and I have also gotten a brief timeslot to talk about
>>>> >>>>> NCUC/NCSG.
>>>> >>>>> I am the NCSG rep on the planning committee of this meeting.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Here is the link to the event.
>>>> >>>>> https://bestbits.net/events/joint-cs-2017/?instance_id=
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Best
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Farzaneh
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>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> --
>>>> >>>> Bruna Martins dos Santos
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> +55 61 99252-6512
>>>> >>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>>>> >>>> @boomartins
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