<div dir="auto">Hi everyone<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I do believe that it is important for us to have a presence at the "civil society day before IGF". </div><div dir="auto">That said, I do have an issue here: this seems to be an event for "<span style="font-family:sans-serif"> civil society networks namely: EFF, NCSG, APC, IGC, JNC". </span><span style="font-family:sans-serif">There s some procedural issue here: Funding an event that is not 'directly' for NCUC and participants that NCUC EC won't be involved in selecting</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">1. Can we have an idea how could this be an NCUC outreach? Where's NCUC here.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">2. Adding our EC Europe Rep at the last minute for the opening does not make it an NCUC outreach sorry.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">3. So 1500$ could go for food and partial travel funding? Who are those who are going to be funded? Are we the ones who will select them?</span></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">5. Does NCSG have funds? Was NPOC asked to help as well?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Dear Michael, I would lean toward helping in sponsoring the event if we have a better understanding of where our contribution would go. What do you think?</div><div dir="auto">Hence, I would kindly ask Farzaneh to help us in the decision by:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">A- Giving us a breakout of expenses.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">B- Elaborating on how we can have NCUC presence effective and acknowledged at the event.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">C- How will partial funding go? NCUC members or not? Travel and/or accomodation? Who will select them?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">D- Would 800 $ help? The costs are around 2200$ and there are 5 members in the coalition that should also step up to the plate.</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 25, 2017 22:04, "Renata Aquino Ribeiro" <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com">raquino@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thank you Louise, for your input<br>
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As soon as we get closer to the event, we'll check w/ EC again if and<br>
how we are going to do this opening.<br>
Whoever does, I think this is where we will "stand our ground" so will<br>
be important we build it collectively<br>
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On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:01 PM, Louise Marie Hurel<br>
<<a href="mailto:louise.marie.hsd@gmail.com">louise.marie.hsd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> My apologies for the delay just got back to London<br>
><br>
> So, my first reaction would be "yes". Given that the IGF is in *Geneva* it<br>
> certainly makes it much harder for civil society groups, academics and<br>
> non-commercial stakeholders overall to attend. Also, NCUC has been actively<br>
> engaged in previous Best Bits meetings and supporting it seems like a<br>
> natural path to take. Thus, I would agree with helping the event.<br>
><br>
> As for opening the event, I would be happy to do so but don't know if I'll<br>
> arrive in time for the opening. Can confirm this information later.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
><br>
> Louise Marie Hurel<br>
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> 2017-11-25 16:35 GMT+00:00 Michael Karanicolas <<a href="mailto:michael@law-democracy.org">michael@law-democracy.org</a>>:<br>
>><br>
>> Ok - so if I understand this correctly - the funding wouldn't actually go<br>
>> towards our participation, or getting a representative there, but rather<br>
>> towards sponsoring the event itself?<br>
>><br>
>> If that's the case, I would lean against it. Again, this comes back to the<br>
>> difference of whether or not we're a "funding organization". If the event is<br>
>> likely to go forward either way, I am doubtful as to whether this<br>
>> expenditure would provide much of a boost for the NCUC. If it were about<br>
>> actually bringing someone to IGF, I'd be more sympathetic.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com">raquino@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi all<br>
>>><br>
>>> EC, remember you don't need to approve the full request. You can<br>
>>> provide funding for a lesser amount.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Michael, in answer to your question, more information form Farzaneh below<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
>>> From: farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> Date: Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 10:22 PM<br>
>>> Subject: More information<br>
>>> To: Renata Aquino <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com">raquino@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi Renata,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Civil Society day is a pre-IGF event which is organized by various<br>
>>> civil society networks namely: EFF, NCSG, APC, IGC, JNC.<br>
>>><br>
>>> The event is normally attended by around 50-60 people.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Most of the networks pitch in money, or source money. EFF pitches<br>
>>> money in, and NCUC funded civil society day last year too (I think<br>
>>> around 1000 USD). Food in Geneva is expensive, the menu that we are<br>
>>> looking at is around 2200 CHF (Swiss Frank). We asked ICANN to fund it<br>
>>> as well.<br>
>>><br>
>>> At the moment Jeremy told me that to serve lunch during the event, it<br>
>>> comes to 2200 USD. If ICANN and EFF chip in too we can have a pot of<br>
>>> money to cover food and cover partial travel funding upon request.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Some put forward their request in registration list to get partial<br>
>>> funding to attend the meeting. The program committee decides on who<br>
>>> gets funded and for how much(program committee consists of the<br>
>>> networks reps: IGC, NCSG EFF, APC, JNC. The participants can be<br>
>>> members of the civil society networks, bestbits etc. Last year for<br>
>>> Mexico I think we supported partially two travelers from LAC.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Best<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Farzaneh<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com">raquino@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> > fwding a Michael's message to this list which got sidetracked<br>
>>> > I'll answer soon<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
>>> >> From: Mike <<a href="mailto:mkaranicolas@gmail.com">mkaranicolas@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> >> To: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com">raquino@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> >> Cc: Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>>, "Exec. Comm"<br>
>>> >> <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br>
>>> >> Bcc:<br>
>>> >> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 17:32:05 -0400<br>
>>> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Fwd: Funding civil society day before IGF<br>
>>> >> I have no objection, but can we get a bit more details as to where the<br>
>>> >> money is going? Who are the “selected participants”? 1500 is a lot for food<br>
>>> >> - presumably that’s toward airfare and accommodation too?<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >>> On Nov 24, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro<br>
>>> >>> <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com">raquino@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>> Hi Bruna<br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>> No, the our Procedures require us to analyse case by case and<br>
>>> >>> recommend an average amount (which is smaller) for more general and<br>
>>> >>> urgent requests.<br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>> The Civil Society Meeting (this is the correct name) has had funded<br>
>>> >>> travellers before. I guess it depends on their final balance of<br>
>>> >>> expenses whether the money will go to fund a new traveller or help<br>
>>> >>> pay<br>
>>> >>> for extra hotel nights to attend, for instance.<br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos<br>
>>> >>> <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> >>>> Renata,<br>
>>> >>>><br>
>>> >>>> Given what was stated in Farzi's email - the fact that you'll be in<br>
>>> >>>> the<br>
>>> >>>> opening ceremony and that Farzi will also have a moment to brief<br>
>>> >>>> people<br>
>>> >>>> about NCSG/NCUC - the bestbits meeting can be considered the NCUC<br>
>>> >>>> outreaching event for the IGF and I would not oppose on giving some<br>
>>> >>>> money to<br>
>>> >>>> the event.<br>
>>> >>>><br>
>>> >>>> One question though, are we supporting members for the IGF itself or<br>
>>> >>>> when we<br>
>>> >>>> talk about the 1500 USD for food and modest travel funding are we<br>
>>> >>>> considering funding more people ?<br>
>>> >>>><br>
>>> >>>> Also, does the operating procedures oppose to the amount of money<br>
>>> >>>> requested<br>
>>> >>>> ? (not from my initial reading)<br>
>>> >>>><br>
>>> >>>> best,<br>
>>> >>>> B<br>
>>> >>>><br>
>>> >>>> 2017-11-24 12:55 GMT-02:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro<br>
>>> >>>> <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com">raquino@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>> Dear EC<br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>> I'm forwarding Farzaneh's request for NCUC EC to support civil<br>
>>> >>>>> society<br>
>>> >>>>> day.<br>
>>> >>>>> In previous editions this event also had NCUC support.<br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>> NCUC Operating Procedures mention allocation of funds on itens VI<br>
>>> >>>>> and VII<br>
>>> >>>>> <a href="https://www.ncuc.org/ncuc-operating-procedures/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ncuc.org/ncuc-<wbr>operating-procedures/</a><br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>> Although this event is a budget higher than the average recommended<br>
>>> >>>>> for approval (USD 500) and the timeline is a bit short, you must<br>
>>> >>>>> also<br>
>>> >>>>> have in mind we have had no budget for outreach events for IGF<br>
>>> >>>>> approved, we do have a workshop there, and our traditional form for<br>
>>> >>>>> outreach is to be reviewed, so the request was sent via email<br>
>>> >>>>> because<br>
>>> >>>>> of that.<br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>> I would also ask Farzaneh to provide materials to publicize the<br>
>>> >>>>> event<br>
>>> >>>>> before and after the meeting (program and report - with speakers<br>
>>> >>>>> main<br>
>>> >>>>> points).<br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>> Please review the request and send in your comments<br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>> Thanks<br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
>>> >>>>> From: farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> >>>>> Date: Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 11:22 AM<br>
>>> >>>>> Subject: Funding civil society day before IGF<br>
>>> >>>>> To: Renata Aquino <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com">raquino@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>> Dear Renata,<br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>> I was wondering if you and NCUC EC could consider funding the civil<br>
>>> >>>>> society day before IGF? I am requesting 1500 USD which goes towards<br>
>>> >>>>> food and perhaps some modest travel funding for the selected<br>
>>> >>>>> participants. You as the NCUC chair will open the day with Jovan<br>
>>> >>>>> from<br>
>>> >>>>> Diplo and I have also gotten a brief timeslot to talk about<br>
>>> >>>>> NCUC/NCSG.<br>
>>> >>>>> I am the NCSG rep on the planning committee of this meeting.<br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>> Here is the link to the event.<br>
>>> >>>>> <a href="https://bestbits.net/events/joint-cs-2017/?instance_id=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bestbits.net/events/<wbr>joint-cs-2017/?instance_id=</a><br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>> Best<br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>><br>
>>> >>>>> Farzaneh<br>
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>>> >>>><br>
>>> >>>><br>
>>> >>>><br>
>>> >>>> --<br>
>>> >>>> Bruna Martins dos Santos<br>
>>> >>>><br>
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