[Ec-ncuc] FW: NPOC issues

Mon Oct 17 20:28:10 CEST 2011

Hi,

I've just concluded a 30 minute call with Debbie. I think she's a good
person with honest intentions and do good for society. Opine that the
problem is that she never knew the ?ICANN Political Establishment? at all
prior to joining thus she found herself thrown into the deep end of 'strange
politics' courtesy of, I think, the gentleman whom stepped down after Seoul
meeting. What was his name? It is possible that she's been a reminder of the
terrible he thus takes the flak on his behalf?

Of course none of this answers all the questions put onlist, but, isolation
or feeling isolated causes anyone to rebel. I have been a member of the
Kenya Freedom of Information coalition of civil of society organisations. In
2007, Priscilla Nyokabi - a Kenyan lady whom for over 10 years led the
crusade for the enactment FOI law impressed upon the government to pass the
law arguing that the government could be doing great things but so long as
citizens felt excluded through secrecy laws, then they would always take
literally *everything* the government said or did suspiciously.

 Thus, I might have been wrong in expressing disappointment with her going
to the board - considering that as an appointee of the board the route most
probably looked best? But I hasten to add that this is my own view of the
situation for we did not discuss it nor any other current onlist
developments.

 I am unable to join you at Dakar for reasons explained to the Chair last
week, but I really urge you to steal a moment or two and chat with her, try
to find out who Debbie really is? speak with her, buy her a coffee or
something...

thanks,

Alex

On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is very disappointing of NPOC whom chose to hide in their own
> barricaded little corner within the NCSG holding private conversations and
> secretly undisclosed recruited members. It does not help their cause to
> short-cut to the top in their bid to depict the people that founded
> non-commercial voice at ICANN and whom have tirelessly since continued to
> champion for the same in an ever-increasing private interests voices at
> ICANN. Yes, we were unhappy with manner in which the board hand picked and
> imposed councillors to represent us, but we have made every effort to
> accommodate them but they completely refused to get integrated. It is only
> now that the elections have forced them to come out ? thank the power of
> voting!
>
>  Debbie wrote me a private email two days ago where regretted her use of
> the ?re-elected? and asked if she could call me to which I agreed. She will
> call me on Monday and hoped to help with the integration, but after these
> yesterdays messages, I am not sure if it'll be of much help considering that
> they seemed to have been done alongside. But I shall maintain the ?open?
> avenue to listen to what she wishes to speak to me about and for me to avoid
> (or being projected) as ?mean, having condemned her without listening.?
>
>  But admit that these developments smack of manipulation thus an eroded
> confidence on Debbie's call intentions, diminished hopes and expectations on
> my otherwise ?behind the scenes? conflict management effort. Sharing this in
> the event that my upcoming contact may later be used against me or us i.e.
> sort of trying to keep it under my contrived Chatham House Rule.
>
>  a disappointing development!
>
>  Alex
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Konstantinos Komaitis <
> k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> FYI -  we do have a problem with this and NCUC should really make a point,
>> I believe, about the issue of Debbie going directly the Board. In Dakar I
>> will seek to make sure that the Board is not getting involved with internal
>> issues of NCSG or when for instance NPOC feels that they are being
>> mistreated.
>>
>> KK
>>
>> From: Konstantinos Komaitis <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:
>> k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>
>> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:19:22 +0100
>> To: Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com<mailto:steve at shinkuro.com>>, "Avri
>> org>" <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org>>
>> Cc: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>, Diane
>> Schroeder <diane.schroeder at icann.org<mailto:diane.schroeder at icann.org>>,
>> Bruce Tonkin <Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au<mailto:
>> Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au>>, Bill Graham <likeanarrow at gmail.com
>> <mailto:likeanarrow at gmail.com>>, John Jeffrey <john.jeffrey at icann.org
>> <mailto:john.jeffrey at icann.org>>, David Olive <David.Olive at icann.org
>> <mailto:David.Olive at icann.org>>, NCUC/NCSG <ncsg-ec at n4c.eu<mailto:
>> ncsg-ec at n4c.eu>>
>> Subject: Re: NPOC issues
>>
>> Dear Steve,
>>
>> Thank you very much for informing us about this issue. I am a bit puzzled
>> (and concerned) as to why Debbie chose this route on an issue that is purely
>> internal to NCSG, however, as Avri says, it is rather difficult to answer to
>> any of this until I have the chance to read the actual complaint. The only
>> thing I would like to say at this stage is that the decision concerning the
>> re-allocation of travel funds was not taken in an arbitrary manner or in a
>> way that sought to undermine the participation of NPOC.
>>
>> I am looking forward to our discussions in Dakar so that this issue can be
>> resolved.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Konstantinos
>>
>> From: Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com<mailto:steve at shinkuro.com>>
>> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 19:53:42 +0100
>> To: "Avri org>" <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org>>
>> Cc: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>, Diane
>> Schroeder <diane.schroeder at icann.org<mailto:diane.schroeder at icann.org>>,
>> Bruce Tonkin <Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au<mailto:
>> Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au>>, Bill Graham <likeanarrow at gmail.com
>> <mailto:likeanarrow at gmail.com>>, John Jeffrey <john.jeffrey at icann.org
>> <mailto:john.jeffrey at icann.org>>, David Olive <David.Olive at icann.org
>> <mailto:David.Olive at icann.org>>, Konstantinos Komaitis <
>> k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>, NCUC/NCSG <
>> ncsg-ec at n4c.eu<mailto:ncsg-ec at n4c.eu>>
>> Subject: Re: NPOC issues
>>
>> Avri,
>>
>> Thanks.  I too am sensitive to going outside of channels.  I look forward
>> to a full airing.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>> I think it is quite kind of you to have arranged Alain's passage to Dakar.
>> As for the whole story, until such time as Debby's charges are made
>> public, it is difficult for anyone to respond to them.  I do wish she had
>> copied the NCSG and its executive committee, in her complaint.  Who knows,
>> perhaps it might have been taken care of without secret escalation.
>> I have copied Konstantinos, the chair of the NCUC on this, as one of the
>> allocations was made by the NCUC and not by the NCSG, so that he can prepare
>> himself to answer the accusations with the rest of us.  I have also copied
>> the NCSG Executive Committee as this seems something they should be informed
>> of.
>> Thanks so much for your attention to his matter.
>> avri
>> On 14 Oct 2011, at 14:28, Steve Crocker wrote:
>> Thanks.  I too look forward to seeing full story.
>> See you in Dakar.
>> Steve
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Oct 14, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:
>> robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>> I'm fairly certain this "complaint" is entirely unfounded and I would like
>> to see a copy of it.
>> Thank you,
>> Robin
>> On Oct 14, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Steve Crocker wrote:
>> Avri and Robin,
>> I guess there was some confusion about the routing of Debbie Hughes'
>> letter, and I apologize for not getting the loop closed on our side.  That
>> said, the NPOC seems pretty exercised, and I expect their complaints will
>> need some attention.  To assist them, I've agreed to find support so Alain
>> can come to Dakar.
>> I expect Debbie will be providing more information shortly.
>> I'm not yet certain where their complaints should be dealt with.  My focus
>> at the moment is simply to make sure this gets sorted out properly.
>> If I've left out others who should be in the loop, please include them.
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
>> Sent from my iPhone
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