Hi,<br>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0mm;">I've just concluded a 30 minute call
with Debbie. I think she's a good person with honest intentions and
do good for society. Opine that the problem is that she never knew
the “ICANN Political Establishment” at all prior to joining thus
she found herself thrown into the deep end of 'strange politics'
courtesy of, I think, the gentleman whom stepped down after Seoul
meeting. What was his name? It is possible that she's been a reminder
of the terrible he thus takes the flak on his behalf? <br><br>Of
course none of this answers all the questions put onlist, but,
isolation or feeling isolated causes anyone to rebel. I have been a
member of the Kenya Freedom of Information coalition of civil of
society organisations. In 2007, Priscilla Nyokabi - a Kenyan lady
whom for over 10 years led the crusade for the enactment FOI law
impressed upon the government to pass the law arguing that the
government could be doing great things but so long as citizens felt
excluded through secrecy laws, then they would always take literally
*everything* the government said or did suspiciously.
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0mm;">Thus, I might have been wrong in
expressing disappointment with her going to the board - considering
that as an appointee of the board the route most probably looked
best? But I hasten to add that this is my own view of the situation
for we did not discuss it nor any other current onlist developments.</p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0mm;">I am unable to join you at Dakar for
reasons explained to the Chair last week, but I really urge you to
steal a moment or two and chat with her, try to find out who Debbie
really is? speak with her, buy her a coffee or something...</p>
<br>thanks,<br><br>Alex<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Alex Gakuru <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gakuru@gmail.com">gakuru@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0mm;">This is very disappointing of NPOC whom
chose to hide in their own barricaded little corner within the NCSG
holding private conversations and secretly undisclosed recruited
members. It does not help their cause to short-cut to the top in
their bid to depict the people that founded non-commercial voice at
ICANN and whom have tirelessly since continued to champion for the
same in an ever-increasing private interests voices at ICANN. Yes, we
were unhappy with manner in which the board hand picked and imposed
councillors to represent us, but we have made every effort to
accommodate them but they completely refused to get integrated. It is
only now that the elections have forced them to come out – thank
the power of voting!</p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0mm;">Debbie wrote me a private email two
days ago where regretted her use of the “re-elected” and asked if
she could call me to which I agreed. She will call me on Monday and
hoped to help with the integration, but after these yesterdays
messages, I am not sure if it'll be of much help considering that
they seemed to have been done alongside. But I shall maintain the
“open” avenue to listen to what she wishes to speak to me about
and for me to avoid (or being projected) as “mean, having condemned
her without listening.”</p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0mm;">But admit that these developments smack
of manipulation thus an eroded confidence on Debbie's call
intentions, diminished hopes and expectations on my otherwise “behind
the scenes” conflict management effort. Sharing this in the event
that my upcoming contact may later be used against me or us i.e. sort
of trying to keep it under my contrived Chatham House Rule.
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0mm;">a disappointing development!</p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0mm;">Alex</p><div><div></div><div class="h5">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Konstantinos Komaitis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk" target="_blank">k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
FYI - we do have a problem with this and NCUC should really make a point, I believe, about the issue of Debbie going directly the Board. In Dakar I will seek to make sure that the Board is not getting involved with internal issues of NCSG or when for instance NPOC feels that they are being mistreated.<br>
<br>
KK<br>
<br>
From: Konstantinos Komaitis <<a href="mailto:k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk" target="_blank">k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk" target="_blank">k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk</a>>><br>
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:19:22 +0100<br>
To: Steve Crocker <<a href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" target="_blank">steve@shinkuro.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" target="_blank">steve@shinkuro.com</a>>>, "Avri org>" <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>>><br>
Cc: Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>>, Diane Schroeder <<a href="mailto:diane.schroeder@icann.org" target="_blank">diane.schroeder@icann.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:diane.schroeder@icann.org" target="_blank">diane.schroeder@icann.org</a>>>, Bruce Tonkin <<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>>>, Bill Graham <<a href="mailto:likeanarrow@gmail.com" target="_blank">likeanarrow@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:likeanarrow@gmail.com" target="_blank">likeanarrow@gmail.com</a>>>, John Jeffrey <<a href="mailto:john.jeffrey@icann.org" target="_blank">john.jeffrey@icann.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:john.jeffrey@icann.org" target="_blank">john.jeffrey@icann.org</a>>>, David Olive <<a href="mailto:David.Olive@icann.org" target="_blank">David.Olive@icann.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:David.Olive@icann.org" target="_blank">David.Olive@icann.org</a>>>, NCUC/NCSG <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@n4c.eu" target="_blank">ncsg-ec@n4c.eu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@n4c.eu" target="_blank">ncsg-ec@n4c.eu</a>>><br>
Subject: Re: NPOC issues<br>
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Dear Steve,<br>
<br>
Thank you very much for informing us about this issue. I am a bit puzzled (and concerned) as to why Debbie chose this route on an issue that is purely internal to NCSG, however, as Avri says, it is rather difficult to answer to any of this until I have the chance to read the actual complaint. The only thing I would like to say at this stage is that the decision concerning the re-allocation of travel funds was not taken in an arbitrary manner or in a way that sought to undermine the participation of NPOC.<br>
<br>
I am looking forward to our discussions in Dakar so that this issue can be resolved.<br>
<br>
Thank you<br>
<br>
Konstantinos<br>
<br>
From: Steve Crocker <<a href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" target="_blank">steve@shinkuro.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" target="_blank">steve@shinkuro.com</a>>><br>
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 19:53:42 +0100<br>
To: "Avri org>" <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>>><br>
Cc: Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>>, Diane Schroeder <<a href="mailto:diane.schroeder@icann.org" target="_blank">diane.schroeder@icann.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:diane.schroeder@icann.org" target="_blank">diane.schroeder@icann.org</a>>>, Bruce Tonkin <<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>>>, Bill Graham <<a href="mailto:likeanarrow@gmail.com" target="_blank">likeanarrow@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:likeanarrow@gmail.com" target="_blank">likeanarrow@gmail.com</a>>>, John Jeffrey <<a href="mailto:john.jeffrey@icann.org" target="_blank">john.jeffrey@icann.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:john.jeffrey@icann.org" target="_blank">john.jeffrey@icann.org</a>>>, David Olive <<a href="mailto:David.Olive@icann.org" target="_blank">David.Olive@icann.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:David.Olive@icann.org" target="_blank">David.Olive@icann.org</a>>>, Konstantinos Komaitis <<a href="mailto:k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk" target="_blank">k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk" target="_blank">k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk</a>>>, NCUC/NCSG <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@n4c.eu" target="_blank">ncsg-ec@n4c.eu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@n4c.eu" target="_blank">ncsg-ec@n4c.eu</a>>><br>
Subject: Re: NPOC issues<br>
<br>
Avri,<br>
<br>
Thanks. I too am sensitive to going outside of channels. I look forward to a full airing.<br>
<br>
Steve<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
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On Oct 14, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Hi Steve,<br>
I think it is quite kind of you to have arranged Alain's passage to Dakar.<br>
As for the whole story, until such time as Debby's charges are made public, it is difficult for anyone to respond to them. I do wish she had copied the NCSG and its executive committee, in her complaint. Who knows, perhaps it might have been taken care of without secret escalation.<br>
I have copied Konstantinos, the chair of the NCUC on this, as one of the allocations was made by the NCUC and not by the NCSG, so that he can prepare himself to answer the accusations with the rest of us. I have also copied the NCSG Executive Committee as this seems something they should be informed of.<br>
Thanks so much for your attention to his matter.<br>
avri<br>
On 14 Oct 2011, at 14:28, Steve Crocker wrote:<br>
Thanks. I too look forward to seeing full story.<br>
See you in Dakar.<br>
Steve<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
On Oct 14, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
I'm fairly certain this "complaint" is entirely unfounded and I would like to see a copy of it.<br>
Thank you,<br>
Robin<br>
On Oct 14, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Steve Crocker wrote:<br>
Avri and Robin,<br>
I guess there was some confusion about the routing of Debbie Hughes' letter, and I apologize for not getting the loop closed on our side. That said, the NPOC seems pretty exercised, and I expect their complaints will need some attention. To assist them, I've agreed to find support so Alain can come to Dakar.<br>
I expect Debbie will be providing more information shortly.<br>
I'm not yet certain where their complaints should be dealt with. My focus at the moment is simply to make sure this gets sorted out properly.<br>
If I've left out others who should be in the loop, please include them.<br>
Thanks,<br>
Steve<br>
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