[Ec-ncuc] FW: NPOC issues

[Alex Gakuru]

This is very disappointing of NPOC whom chose to hide in their own
barricaded little corner within the NCSG holding private conversations and
secretly undisclosed recruited members. It does not help their cause to
short-cut to the top in their bid to depict the people that founded
non-commercial voice at ICANN and whom have tirelessly since continued to
champion for the same in an ever-increasing private interests voices at
ICANN. Yes, we were unhappy with manner in which the board hand picked and
imposed councillors to represent us, but we have made every effort to
accommodate them but they completely refused to get integrated. It is only
now that the elections have forced them to come out ? thank the power of
voting!

 Debbie wrote me a private email two days ago where regretted her use of the
?re-elected? and asked if she could call me to which I agreed. She will call
me on Monday and hoped to help with the integration, but after these
yesterdays messages, I am not sure if it'll be of much help considering that
they seemed to have been done alongside. But I shall maintain the ?open?
avenue to listen to what she wishes to speak to me about and for me to avoid
(or being projected) as ?mean, having condemned her without listening.?

 But admit that these developments smack of manipulation thus an eroded
confidence on Debbie's call intentions, diminished hopes and expectations on
my otherwise ?behind the scenes? conflict management effort. Sharing this in
the event that my upcoming contact may later be used against me or us i.e.
sort of trying to keep it under my contrived Chatham House Rule.

 a disappointing development!

 Alex


On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Konstantinos Komaitis <
k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk> wrote:

> FYI -  we do have a problem with this and NCUC should really make a point,
> I believe, about the issue of Debbie going directly the Board. In Dakar I
> will seek to make sure that the Board is not getting involved with internal
> issues of NCSG or when for instance NPOC feels that they are being
> mistreated.
>
> KK
>
> From: Konstantinos Komaitis <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:
> k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>
> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:19:22 +0100
> To: Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com<mailto:steve at shinkuro.com>>, "Avri
> org>" <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org>>
> Cc: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>, Diane
> Schroeder <diane.schroeder at icann.org<mailto:diane.schroeder at icann.org>>,
> Bruce Tonkin <Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au<mailto:
> Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au>>, Bill Graham <likeanarrow at gmail.com
> <mailto:likeanarrow at gmail.com>>, John Jeffrey <john.jeffrey at icann.org
> <mailto:john.jeffrey at icann.org>>, David Olive <David.Olive at icann.org
> <mailto:David.Olive at icann.org>>, NCUC/NCSG <ncsg-ec at n4c.eu<mailto:
> ncsg-ec at n4c.eu>>
> Subject: Re: NPOC issues
>
> Dear Steve,
>
> Thank you very much for informing us about this issue. I am a bit puzzled
> (and concerned) as to why Debbie chose this route on an issue that is purely
> internal to NCSG, however, as Avri says, it is rather difficult to answer to
> any of this until I have the chance to read the actual complaint. The only
> thing I would like to say at this stage is that the decision concerning the
> re-allocation of travel funds was not taken in an arbitrary manner or in a
> way that sought to undermine the participation of NPOC.
>
> I am looking forward to our discussions in Dakar so that this issue can be
> resolved.
>
> Thank you
>
> Konstantinos
>
> From: Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com<mailto:steve at shinkuro.com>>
> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 19:53:42 +0100
> To: "Avri org>" <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org>>
> Cc: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>, Diane
> Schroeder <diane.schroeder at icann.org<mailto:diane.schroeder at icann.org>>,
> Bruce Tonkin <Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au<mailto:
> Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au>>, Bill Graham <likeanarrow at gmail.com
> <mailto:likeanarrow at gmail.com>>, John Jeffrey <john.jeffrey at icann.org
> <mailto:john.jeffrey at icann.org>>, David Olive <David.Olive at icann.org
> <mailto:David.Olive at icann.org>>, Konstantinos Komaitis <
> k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>, NCUC/NCSG <
> ncsg-ec at n4c.eu<mailto:ncsg-ec at n4c.eu>>
> Subject: Re: NPOC issues
>
> Avri,
>
> Thanks.  I too am sensitive to going outside of channels.  I look forward
> to a full airing.
>
> Steve
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 14, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
> I think it is quite kind of you to have arranged Alain's passage to Dakar.
> As for the whole story, until such time as Debby's charges are made public,
> it is difficult for anyone to respond to them.  I do wish she had copied the
> NCSG and its executive committee, in her complaint.  Who knows, perhaps it
> might have been taken care of without secret escalation.
> I have copied Konstantinos, the chair of the NCUC on this, as one of the
> allocations was made by the NCUC and not by the NCSG, so that he can prepare
> himself to answer the accusations with the rest of us.  I have also copied
> the NCSG Executive Committee as this seems something they should be informed
> of.
> Thanks so much for your attention to his matter.
> avri
> On 14 Oct 2011, at 14:28, Steve Crocker wrote:
> Thanks.  I too look forward to seeing full story.
> See you in Dakar.
> Steve
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 14, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:
> robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
> I'm fairly certain this "complaint" is entirely unfounded and I would like
> to see a copy of it.
> Thank you,
> Robin
> On Oct 14, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Steve Crocker wrote:
> Avri and Robin,
> I guess there was some confusion about the routing of Debbie Hughes'
> letter, and I apologize for not getting the loop closed on our side.  That
> said, the NPOC seems pretty exercised, and I expect their complaints will
> need some attention.  To assist them, I've agreed to find support so Alain
> can come to Dakar.
> I expect Debbie will be providing more information shortly.
> I'm not yet certain where their complaints should be dealt with.  My focus
> at the moment is simply to make sure this gets sorted out properly.
> If I've left out others who should be in the loop, please include them.
> Thanks,
> Steve
> Sent from my iPhone
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