[Ec-ncuc] [Pc-ncuc] FW: NPOC issues

Sat Oct 15 11:57:15 CEST 2011

Avri got Rosemary's funds through a discussion that took place in the NCSG PC because she was under the impression that this type of discussion should take place there and not the EC. There was some debate as to where such discussions should take place, which I think was never resolved, but at the end of the day there was discussion. For Rafik's place, there was discussion in the NCSG EC and no one objected at the time for Robin being allocated the funds. Due to ICANN's deadline on flight bookings and with no objections, Robin notified the travel constituency. And a couple of days later, Alain stepped in. I recall that Amber was also suggested but she declined. Your travel funds were allocated by NCUC and there is a case to be made there about you being elected by NCUC long before the charter was approved and on the basis that you were elected by NCUC and not NCSG at the time.

Debbie is going to Dakar, but she wants to create a fuss about NPOC not getting any funds (although ICANN will  now pay for Alain, which is another point I think is problematic).

The role of the Board should not be paternalistic ? we cannot have a situation where Debbie or NPOC or even us will use the Board every time things go like this. And the Board should make this point very clearly to Debbie and NPOC.

KK

From: William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:47:50 +0100
To: Konstantinos Komaitis <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>
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Subject: Re: [Pc-ncuc] FW: NPOC issues

let me make sure i understand cuz i don't recall what happened.  was it that the EC reallocated the Rafik and Rosemary support to Robin and Avri, rather than giving it to Alain, who has no defined role?  cuz a strong case can obviously be made that priority should go to the incoming and outgoing SG chairs who have to run meetings and otherwise be around.

Debby is going to Dakar, right?  so they already had representation there?

how do you make the point without getting the board involved?  you mean privately, off line?

On Oct 15, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Konstantinos Komaitis wrote:

FYI -  we do have a problem with this and NCUC should really make a point, I believe, about the issue of Debbie going directly the Board. In Dakar I will seek to make sure that the Board is not getting involved with internal issues of NCSG or when for instance NPOC feels that they are being mistreated.
KK
From: Konstantinos Komaitis <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:19:22 +0100
To: Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com<mailto:steve at shinkuro.com><mailto:steve at shinkuro.com>>, "Avri org>" <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org><mailto:avri at acm.org>>
Cc: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org><mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>, Diane Schroeder <diane.schroeder at icann.org<mailto:diane.schroeder at icann.org><mailto:diane.schroeder at icann.org>>, Bruce Tonkin <Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au<mailto:Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au><mailto:Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au>>, Bill Graham <likeanarrow at gmail.com<mailto:likeanarrow at gmail.com><mailto:likeanarrow at gmail.com>>, John Jeffrey <john.jeffrey at icann.org<mailto:john.jeffrey at icann.org><mailto:john.jeffrey at icann.org>>, David Olive <David.Olive at icann.org<mailto:David.Olive at icann.org><mailto:David.Olive at icann.org>>, NCUC/NCSG <ncsg-ec at n4c.eu<mailto:ncsg-ec at n4c.eu><mailto:ncsg-ec at n4c.eu>>
Subject: Re: NPOC issues
Dear Steve,
Thank you very much for informing us about this issue. I am a bit puzzled (and concerned) as to why Debbie chose this route on an issue that is purely internal to NCSG, however, as Avri says, it is rather difficult to answer to any of this until I have the chance to read the actual complaint. The only thing I would like to say at this stage is that the decision concerning the re-allocation of travel funds was not taken in an arbitrary manner or in a way that sought to undermine the participation of NPOC.
I am looking forward to our discussions in Dakar so that this issue can be resolved.
Thank you
Konstantinos
From: Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com<mailto:steve at shinkuro.com><mailto:steve at shinkuro.com>>
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 19:53:42 +0100
To: "Avri org>" <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org><mailto:avri at acm.org>>
Cc: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org><mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>, Diane Schroeder <diane.schroeder at icann.org<mailto:diane.schroeder at icann.org><mailto:diane.schroeder at icann.org>>, Bruce Tonkin <Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au<mailto:Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au><mailto:Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au>>, Bill Graham <likeanarrow at gmail.com<mailto:likeanarrow at gmail.com><mailto:likeanarrow at gmail.com>>, John Jeffrey <john.jeffrey at icann.org<mailto:john.jeffrey at icann.org><mailto:john.jeffrey at icann.org>>, David Olive <David.Olive at icann.org<mailto:David.Olive at icann.org><mailto:David.Olive at icann.org>>, Konstantinos Komaitis <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>, NCUC/NCSG <ncsg-ec at n4c.eu<mailto:ncsg-ec at n4c.eu><mailto:ncsg-ec at n4c.eu>>
Subject: Re: NPOC issues
Avri,
Thanks.  I too am sensitive to going outside of channels.  I look forward to a full airing.
Steve
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On Oct 14, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org><mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
Hi Steve,
I think it is quite kind of you to have arranged Alain's passage to Dakar.
As for the whole story, until such time as Debby's charges are made public, it is difficult for anyone to respond to them.  I do wish she had copied the NCSG and its executive committee, in her complaint.  Who knows, perhaps it might have been taken care of without secret escalation.
I have copied Konstantinos, the chair of the NCUC on this, as one of the allocations was made by the NCUC and not by the NCSG, so that he can prepare himself to answer the accusations with the rest of us.  I have also copied the NCSG Executive Committee as this seems something they should be informed of.
Thanks so much for your attention to his matter.
avri
On 14 Oct 2011, at 14:28, Steve Crocker wrote:
Thanks.  I too look forward to seeing full story.
See you in Dakar.
Steve
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On Oct 14, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org><mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
I'm fairly certain this "complaint" is entirely unfounded and I would like to see a copy of it.
Thank you,
Robin
On Oct 14, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Steve Crocker wrote:
Avri and Robin,
I guess there was some confusion about the routing of Debbie Hughes' letter, and I apologize for not getting the loop closed on our side.  That said, the NPOC seems pretty exercised, and I expect their complaints will need some attention.  To assist them, I've agreed to find support so Alain can come to Dakar.
I expect Debbie will be providing more information shortly.
I'm not yet certain where their complaints should be dealt with.  My focus at the moment is simply to make sure this gets sorted out properly.
If I've left out others who should be in the loop, please include them.
Thanks,
Steve
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