[NCUC-DISCUSS] UPDATE about the North American EC Slot

Thu Jun 4 16:53:33 CEST 2020

Hello Stephanie,

Hope you are doing great. Though the email was addressed to Dorothy but
copied to the general mailing list it means we can also react. While
reading the email, this portion caught my attention, especially where you
indicated 'as a white woman of moderate privileges'

Kindly clarify what you are implying by this statement,  "Other Chairs may
not do this, but *as a white woman of moderate privilege (all things
socio-economic being relative)* I feel strongly that an independent
oversight is required with respect to racist allegations, particularly of
leaders."

Regards
Raymond Mamattah
Accra-Ghana

On Thu, Jun 4, 2020, 1:47 PM Stephanie E Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

> Dorothy,
>
> Thank you very much for your contribution to this unfortunate discussion!
> It is much appreciated!  For members who are not aware, the Ombudsman has
> access to all lists at ICANN and is empowered to watch/monitor.  When I
> receive or see complaints of racism or fraud, which are serious
> allegations, I usually contact him directly in case things escalate.  I did
> so in this case as well.  Other Chairs may not do this, but as a white
> woman of moderate privilege (all things socio-economic being relative) I
> feel strongly that an independent oversight is required with respect to
> racist allegations, particularly of leaders.  I feel the same about
> outright harassment actions.  This has of course caused a lot of friction
> within our group, some members feeling strongly that the NCSG Chair (and
> for this thread, the NCUC Chair) are empowered by our Charter and
> procedures to intervene and deal with the allegations and behaviour,
> ultimately rejecting members.  Unfortunately, the disagreements in our
> group frequently escalate to the point where they do not, in my opinion,
> reflect well on us, which is why I tried last year to establish a more
> fulsome code of ethics, an idea which has been thoroughly ridiculed and
> rejected.  The conduct on the lists can certainly be dealt with according
> to the Charter and the ICANN expected standards of behaviour (
> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en)
> but I remain, perhaps stubbornly, convinced that other kinds of disruptive
> behaviour and harassment are better dealt with by the Ombudsman.  Given the
> growing tendency to take these fights off our lists onto other social
> media, notably Facebook and Twitter, I think the remit of the Chairs is
> limited.
>
> In any case, I am proposing to the NCSG EC that we develop procedures for
> list monitoring and intervention that would task one of the members of the
> relevant ECs to act as list monitor, peacemaker, and ultimately the person
> in charge of removal of offending persons from the lists.  As you correctly
> point out, sometimes things escalate because of language differences, and
> having a list "referee" to help translate meaning or encourage people to
> use less inflammatory language could be valuable.  Every time we have these
> kinds of flareups, we lose members, because the dozens of angry emails put
> them off being a member of our organization.  Furthermore, leadership
> positions being tasked with having to perform these referee roles must
> surely dissuade many of our members from running for office.
>
> Kind regards, Stephanie Perrin
>
>
> On 2020-06-04 12:40 a.m., dorothy g wrote:
>
> Vaibhav, As you can see I am not white.  I can assure you that in English
> the word 'nonsense' is not a racial slur. Anyone can talk nonsense.
> It is not associated with any racial or ethnic group. I agree it is not a
> polite word but it is not racist. We are working from
> different mother-tongue and different cultures so sometimes communication
> suffers as a result. You may feel you are being bullied and you have a
> right to your feelings but as an observer I cannot agree with you. I have
> been a member of this group for many years. We may not always agree but we
> can disagree politely. Please do not assume that the entire group has no
> trust in the leadership and process. We will learn from this experience and
> do better.  Sincerely wishing you the best.
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:16 PM Vaibhav Aggarwal <va at bladebrains.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Franco,
>>
>> Thanks for seeing reason in my point.
>> It is important the the Chair at this juncture along with the EC is held
>> responsible. And I ask for their resignations in the interest of
>> Transparency, Accountability, Adherence, & Code of Ethics.
>> There is no trust in the current management of this group as there is no
>> direction & righteousness.
>>
>> A Adhoc committee be put in place, elections proposed be stopped & group
>> be reconvened for way forward. A Minimum Corum of representation be decided
>> for any decisions.
>>
>> A hand full of 5-8 people running this group like a cartel..
>>
>> Since diversity is the basis of this Multi-Stakeholder environment,  I
>> bring this up for my brothers & sisters from the lesser Privileged /
>> developed ecosystems who are putting hard effort in bringing policy up for
>> the better. Every one should get an opportunity. Freedom of voice should
>> never be suppressed in a stressed environment. Equal opportunity is our
>> right.
>>
>> The expose and your views on what’s going wrong should be sent to the
>> Ombudsman of ICANN - and everyone should write to him. It’s important to be
>> heard.
>>
>> Read this in addition to my views above, I was a victim of racial abuse
>> yesterday in front of everyone - Nonsense is what I was called - And I was
>> reprimanded, my integrity was attacked upon & today being threatened & my
>> privacy being violted by the Chair herself in a most casual manner. This is
>> not good. This is bullying & harassment.
>>
>> Post the email, I won’t know if I am onslought be brought upon me by
>> some, and If I will still be here or my list access be barred, but I would
>> certainly die a free man. Some good will I be able to do, form some to do
>> good on policy. The world needs you.
>>
>> Rest is ur imagination & wisdom.
>>
>> Yours sincerely,
>> -VA
>> www.thevaibhav.com
>> +91.9899246969
>> New Delhi, India
>>
>> Sent from my mobile device. Typos regretted.
>>
>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 9:45 PM, franco giandana <fgiandana at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> As a current member of the NCUC EC representing the LAC region, I will be
>> raising this subject and the comments exposed in this thread to the entire
>> EC. I hope we can bring some updated soon.
>>
>> Please reach out to me if you have any questions.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Franco
>>
>> El mié., 3 jun. 2020 a las 10:22, Vaibhav Aggarwal, Catalyst & Group CEO
>> (<va at bladebrains.com>) escribió:
>>
>>> If anybody has missed this email - Like the Chair / EC.
>>>
>>> The group will be eager to know.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> -VA
>>>
>>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 5:57 PM, KASWESHA <kaswesha at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello everyone. Hope all is well during this pandemic period that has
>>> paralysed almost everything around the globe.
>>>
>>> I declared my interest in representing North America now that I am a
>>> permanent resident here,  however no one responded to my self-nomination.
>>> As we continue the search for a suitable representative from the region I
>>> would still request to know from either the EC or even membership
>>> fraternity whether it's that I am not eligible for this position or I am
>>> non-active member of the group.
>>>
>>> Have a great time wherever you are.
>>>
>>> Best regards;
>>>
>>> James Njoroge Gitau
>>> Elsmere, Kentucky
>>> United States of America
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 6:51 AM Louise Marie Hurel <
>>> louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to echo Bruna's points here and add another.
>>>>
>>>> We have a great membership that spreads throughout different regions.
>>>> Not having a filled position for the NA is unfortunate, we should be able
>>>> to have a healthy and competitive election. If you would like to know more
>>>> about the NCUC EC, please feel free to reach out and we will gladly have a
>>>> chat. If you think that you could contribute to enhancing the role of
>>>> non-commercial interests but might still be unsure about where to start, we
>>>> can also help you. However, we do encourage you to get in touch - we're
>>>> nice folks ha :)
>>>>
>>>> As Bruna mentioned, there's time to think, you have time to think
>>>> before we open up a call for interest to the North American Representative
>>>> at the NCUC EC.
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> *Louise Marie Hurel*
>>>>
>>>> Research and Project Development Cybersecurity and Digital Liberties
>>>> Programme | Igarapé Institute
>>>> PhD Student Data, Networks, and Society | London School of Economics
>>>> and Political Science (LSE)
>>>> Publications
>>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Louise_Marie_Hurel/publications>
>>>> Skype: louise.dias | Twitter: @LouMarieHSD
>>>> <https://twitter.com/LouMarieHSD>
>>>> louise at igarape.org.br
>>>> louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> *Recent publication*s:
>>>> Hinojosa, P; Aiken, K; & Hurel, LM (2020). “*Putting the technical
>>>> community back into cyber (policy)*”. In: Tikk and Kertunen. Routledge
>>>> Handbook of International Cybersecurity. London: Routledge.
>>>>
>>>> Hurel, L. M. & Lobato, L. C. (forthcoming) “*Cyber-Norms
>>>> Entrepreneurship? Understanding Microsoft’s advocacy on cybersecurity*”.
>>>> In D. Broeders & B. Van Der Berg (Eds.), *Governing Cyberspace:
>>>> Behaviour, Power and Diplomacy.* Rowman and Littlefield.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 18:59, Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> After reflecting with the NCUC EC about the lack of candidates for the
>>>>> position of NCUC EC representative for North America, we have decided to
>>>>> follow up with the election deadlines as they are and to not reopen the
>>>>> nomination period for this specific seat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once we conclude this process the EC will follow up with a call for
>>>>> interest to the North American Representative at the NCUC EC, and move with
>>>>> the appointment based on the current EC decision.
>>>>>
>>>>> Something that was also considered was the fact that we did not have a
>>>>> candidate until now so maybe reopening a call for interest once we are done
>>>>> with this election process will give our members some time to think about
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Last but not least, I would also like to note that this was an
>>>>> unanimous decision from the NCUC Leadership Team.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>>>> NCUC Chair
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