[NCUC-DISCUSS] UPDATE about the North American EC Slot
Robert Guerra
rguerra at privaterra.org
Thu Jun 4 15:54:47 CEST 2020
Stephanie,
I concur with you on this and support your proposals on how to proceed.
regards,
Robert
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On 4 Jun 2020, at 9:47, Stephanie E Perrin wrote:
> Dorothy,
>
> Thank you very much for your contribution to this unfortunate
> discussion! It is much appreciated! For members who are not aware,
> the Ombudsman has access to all lists at ICANN and is empowered to
> watch/monitor. When I receive or see complaints of racism or fraud,
> which are serious allegations, I usually contact him directly in case
> things escalate. I did so in this case as well. Other Chairs may
> not do this, but as a white woman of moderate privilege (all things
> socio-economic being relative) I feel strongly that an independent
> oversight is required with respect to racist allegations, particularly
> of leaders. I feel the same about outright harassment actions.
> This has of course caused a lot of friction within our group, some
> members feeling strongly that the NCSG Chair (and for this thread, the
> NCUC Chair) are empowered by our Charter and procedures to intervene
> and deal with the allegations and behaviour, ultimately rejecting
> members. Unfortunately, the disagreements in our group frequently
> escalate to the point where they do not, in my opinion, reflect well
> on us, which is why I tried last year to establish a more fulsome code
> of ethics, an idea which has been thoroughly ridiculed and rejected.
> The conduct on the lists can certainly be dealt with according to the
> Charter and the ICANN expected standards of behaviour
> (https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en)
> but I remain, perhaps stubbornly, convinced that other kinds of
> disruptive behaviour and harassment are better dealt with by the
> Ombudsman. Given the growing tendency to take these fights off our
> lists onto other social media, notably Facebook and Twitter, I think
> the remit of the Chairs is limited.
>
> In any case, I am proposing to the NCSG EC that we develop procedures
> for list monitoring and intervention that would task one of the
> members of the relevant ECs to act as list monitor, peacemaker, and
> ultimately the person in charge of removal of offending persons from
> the lists. As you correctly point out, sometimes things escalate
> because of language differences, and having a list "referee" to help
> translate meaning or encourage people to use less inflammatory
> language could be valuable. Every time we have these kinds of
> flareups, we lose members, because the dozens of angry emails put them
> off being a member of our organization. Furthermore, leadership
> positions being tasked with having to perform these referee roles must
> surely dissuade many of our members from running for office.
>
> Kind regards, Stephanie Perrin
>
>
> On 2020-06-04 12:40 a.m., dorothy g wrote:
>> Vaibhav, As you can see I am not white. I can assure you that in
>> English the word 'nonsense' is not a racial slur. Anyone can talk
>> nonsense. It is not associated with any racial or ethnic group. I
>> agree it is not a polite word but it is not racist. We are working
>> from different mother-tongue and different cultures so sometimes
>> communication suffers as a result. You may feel you are being bullied
>> and you have a right to your feelings but as an observer I cannot
>> agree with you. I have been a member of this group for many years. We
>> may not always agree but we can disagree politely. Please do not
>> assume that the entire group has no trust in the leadership and
>> process. We will learn from this experience and do better.
>> Sincerely wishing you the best.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:16 PM Vaibhav Aggarwal <va at bladebrains.com
>> <mailto:va at bladebrains.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Franco,
>>
>> Thanks for seeing reason in my point.
>> It is important the the Chair at this juncture along with the EC
>> is held responsible. And I ask for their resignations in the
>> interest of Transparency, Accountability, Adherence, & Code of
>> Ethics.
>> There is no trust in the current management of this group as
>> there
>> is no direction & righteousness.
>>
>> A Adhoc committee be put in place, elections proposed be stopped
>> &
>> group be reconvened for way forward. A Minimum Corum of
>> representation be decided for any decisions.
>>
>> A hand full of 5-8 people running this group like a cartel..
>>
>> Since diversity is the basis of this Multi-Stakeholder
>> environment, I bring this up for my brothers & sisters from the
>> lesser Privileged / developed ecosystems who are putting hard
>> effort in bringing policy up for the better. Every one should get
>> an opportunity. Freedom of voice should never be suppressed in a
>> stressed environment. Equal opportunity is our right.
>>
>> The expose and your views on what’s going wrong should be sent
>> to
>> the Ombudsman of ICANN - and everyone should write to him. It’s
>> important to be heard.
>>
>> Read this in addition to my views above, I was a victim of racial
>> abuse yesterday in front of everyone - Nonsense is what I was
>> called - And I was reprimanded, my integrity was attacked upon &
>> today being threatened & my privacy being violted by the Chair
>> herself in a most casual manner. This is not good. This is
>> bullying & harassment.
>>
>> Post the email, I won’t know if I am onslought be brought upon
>> me
>> by some, and If I will still be here or my list access be barred,
>> but I would certainly die a free man. Some good will I be able to
>> do, form some to do good on policy. The world needs you.
>>
>> Rest is ur imagination & wisdom.
>>
>> Yours sincerely,
>> -VA
>> www.thevaibhav.com <http://www.thevaibhav.com>
>> +91.9899246969
>> New Delhi, India
>>
>> Sent from my mobile device. Typos regretted.
>>
>>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 9:45 PM, franco giandana <fgiandana at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:fgiandana at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> As a current member of the NCUC EC representing the LAC region,
>>> I
>>> will be raising this subject and the comments exposed in this
>>> thread to the entire EC. I hope we can bring some updated soon.
>>>
>>> Please reach out to me if you have any questions.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Franco
>>>
>>> El mié., 3 jun. 2020 a las 10:22, Vaibhav Aggarwal, Catalyst &
>>> Group CEO (<va at bladebrains.com <mailto:va at bladebrains.com>>)
>>> escribió:
>>>
>>> If anybody has missed this email - Like the Chair / EC.
>>>
>>> The group will be eager to know.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> -VA
>>>
>>>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 5:57 PM, KASWESHA <kaswesha at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:kaswesha at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello everyone. Hope all is well during this pandemic
>>>> period
>>>> that has paralysed almost everything around the globe.
>>>>
>>>> I declared my interest in representing North America now
>>>> that I am a permanent resident here, however no one
>>>> responded to my self-nomination. As we continue the
>>>> search
>>>> for a suitable representative from the region I would still
>>>> request to know from either the EC or even membership
>>>> fraternity whether it's that I am not eligible for this
>>>> position or I am non-active member of the group.
>>>>
>>>> Have a great time wherever you are.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards;
>>>>
>>>> James Njoroge Gitau
>>>> Elsmere, Kentucky
>>>> United States of America
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 6:51 AM Louise Marie Hurel
>>>> <louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to echo Bruna's points here and add
>>>> another.
>>>>
>>>> We have a great membership that spreads throughout
>>>> different regions. Not having a filled position for the
>>>> NA is unfortunate, we should be able to have a healthy
>>>> and competitive election. If you would like to know
>>>> more
>>>> about the NCUC EC, please feel free to reach out and we
>>>> will gladly have a chat. If you think that you could
>>>> contribute to enhancing the role of non-commercial
>>>> interests but might still be unsure about where to
>>>> start, we can also help you. However, we do encourage
>>>> you to get in touch - we're nice folks ha :)
>>>>
>>>> As Bruna mentioned, there's time to think, you have
>>>> time
>>>> to think before we open up a call for interest to the
>>>> North American Representative at the NCUC EC.
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> *Louise Marie Hurel*
>>>>
>>>> Research and Project Development Cybersecurity and
>>>> Digital Liberties Programme | Igarapé Institute
>>>> PhD Student Data, Networks, and Society | London School
>>>> of Economics and Political Science (LSE)
>>>> Publications
>>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Louise_Marie_Hurel/publications>
>>>> Skype: louise.dias | Twitter: @LouMarieHSD
>>>> <https://twitter.com/LouMarieHSD>
>>>> louise at igarape.org.br <mailto:louise at igarape.org.br>
>>>> louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> *Recent publication*s:
>>>> Hinojosa, P; Aiken, K; & Hurel, LM (2020). “*Putting
>>>> the
>>>> technical community back into cyber (policy)*”. In:
>>>> Tikk
>>>> and Kertunen. Routledge Handbook of International
>>>> Cybersecurity. London: Routledge.
>>>>
>>>> Hurel, L. M. & Lobato, L. C. (forthcoming)
>>>> “*Cyber-Norms
>>>> Entrepreneurship? Understanding Microsoft’s advocacy
>>>> on
>>>> cybersecurity*”. In D. Broeders & B. Van Der Berg
>>>> (Eds.), /Governing Cyberspace: Behaviour, Power and
>>>> Diplomacy./ Rowman and Littlefield.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 18:59, Bruna Martins dos Santos
>>>> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> After reflecting with the NCUC EC about the lack of
>>>> candidates for the position of NCUC EC
>>>> representative for North America, we have decided
>>>> to
>>>> follow up with the election deadlines as they are
>>>> and to not reopen the nomination period for this
>>>> specific seat.
>>>>
>>>> Once we conclude this process the EC will follow up
>>>> with a call for interest to the North American
>>>> Representative at the NCUC EC, and move with the
>>>> appointment based on the current EC decision.
>>>>
>>>> Something that was also considered was the fact
>>>> that
>>>> we did not have a candidate until now so maybe
>>>> reopening a call for interest once we are done with
>>>> this election process will give our members some
>>>> time to think about it.
>>>>
>>>> Last but not least, I would also like to note that
>>>> this was an unanimous decision from the NCUC
>>>> Leadership Team.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> */Bruna Martins dos Santos /*
>>>> NCUC Chair
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>> Dorothy Gordon
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