.Pirate Domains Now Available Through OpenNic

[Nuno Garcia]

I stand by my arguments, and as this is a matter or opinion, and as I do
not intend to demonstrate that I'm right, this paragraph ends this
discussion from my side.

The main point that should concern us, and that we are not addressing at
all, is that there is already a double trend. On one hand, there is the
clear attempt do discredit ICANN. On the other hand, alternative DNS
systems are growing in number and in size.

Should this worry me as an academic. I don't think so, this is an excellent
research opportunity.

Should this concern me as a citizen? Of course.

Best,
NG

On 17 May 2012 16:10, Michael Haffely <ncuc at jollyrogers.com> wrote:

> It is not as easy "only running a script", and suggest the following
> exercise to prove my point.
>
> Change your DNS on your phone to point to an alternate DNS provider while
> on the carriers network.
>
> Yes, you *do* need to be very technical to accomplish this.  If users
> can't get to an alternate DNS on all devices they use, it won't be
> accepted.  Users won't accept a system where they can only send email to X
> on Wi-Fi, but can't communicate with X on the carriers or ISP's network.
> With the trend of more smartphones/tablets as the primary internet access
> device this will prevent the mass uptake of alternate root DNS.
>
> The existing root DNS has worked acceptably for decades, and with DNSSEC
> it has fixed some of the security concerns.  To answer "Why Not?" to the
> question of trusting alternative DNS doesn't answer any of the concerns
> raised in RFC 2826 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2826> nor does it
> address the lack of financial, political, and technical stability and
> longevity that the Alternative DNS systems have exhibited.
>
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Nuno Garcia <ngarcia at ngarcia.net> wrote:
>
>> please see inline:
>>
>> On 17 May 2012 13:42, Michael Haffely <ncuc at jollyrogers.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think it is user share so much as fundamental problems with
>>> Alternate DNS systems.
>>>
>>> it is. Unless its run by political (or alike) reazons, its a business
>>
>>
>>> How easy is it to block alternate DNS by governmental, law, or other
>>> agencies or actors?  Unlike the existing DNS system, it is quite trivial to
>>> flatten an entire alternate DNS and have no appreciable impact to the
>>> Internet.
>>>
>>
>> in the Internet its as easy to block as it is to circumvent
>>
>>
>>> How does it work at sites that block outbound DNS requests at the edge?
>>>
>>
>> circumvent, use DNS apps, for instance, use proxies, whatever...
>>
>>
>>> Are you and all those you want to access these resources technical
>>> enough to configure all your phones, computers, etc. to implement alternate
>>> DNS for all networks?
>>>
>>
>> No one needs to be technical enough, only to run a script and its done.
>>
>>
>>> Why trust an alternate DNS?
>>>
>>> why not?
>>
>>
>
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