I stand by my arguments, and as this is a matter or opinion, and as I do not intend to demonstrate that I'm right, this paragraph ends this discussion from my side.<br><br>The main point that should concern us, and that we are not addressing at all, is that there is already a double trend. On one hand, there is the clear attempt do discredit ICANN. On the other hand, alternative DNS systems are growing in number and in size. <br>
<br>Should this worry me as an academic. I don't think so, this is an excellent research opportunity. <br><br>Should this concern me as a citizen? Of course.<br><br>Best,<br>NG<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 17 May 2012 16:10, Michael Haffely <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ncuc@jollyrogers.com" target="_blank">ncuc@jollyrogers.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">It is not as easy "only running a script", and suggest the following exercise to prove my point.<br><br>Change your DNS on your phone to point to an alternate DNS provider while on the carriers network.<br>
<br>Yes, you *do* need to be very technical to accomplish this. If users can't get to an alternate DNS on all devices they use, it won't be accepted. Users won't accept a system where they can only send email to X on Wi-Fi, but can't communicate with X on the carriers or ISP's network. With the trend of more smartphones/tablets as the primary internet access device this will prevent the mass uptake of alternate root DNS.<br>
<br>The existing root DNS has worked acceptably for decades, and with DNSSEC it has fixed some of the security concerns. To answer "Why Not?" to the question of trusting alternative DNS doesn't answer any of the concerns raised in <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2826" target="_blank">RFC 2826</a> nor does it address the lack of financial, political, and technical stability and longevity that the Alternative DNS systems have exhibited.<div class="HOEnZb">
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Nuno Garcia <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ngarcia@ngarcia.net" target="_blank">ngarcia@ngarcia.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
please see inline:<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 17 May 2012 13:42, Michael Haffely <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ncuc@jollyrogers.com" target="_blank">ncuc@jollyrogers.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I don't think it is user share so much as fundamental problems with Alternate DNS systems. <br><br></blockquote><div>it is. Unless its run by political (or alike) reazons, its a business<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
How easy is it to block alternate DNS by governmental, law, or other agencies or actors? Unlike the existing DNS system, it is quite trivial to flatten an entire alternate DNS and have no appreciable impact to the Internet.<br>
</blockquote><div><br>in the Internet its as easy to block as it is to circumvent<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
How does it work at sites that block outbound DNS requests at the edge?<br></blockquote><div><br>circumvent, use DNS apps, for instance, use proxies, whatever...<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Are you and all those you want to access these resources technical enough
to configure all your phones, computers, etc. to implement alternate DNS for all networks?<br></blockquote><div><br>No one needs to be technical enough, only to run a script and its done.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Why trust an alternate DNS?<br><br>
</blockquote></div>why not?<br><br>
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