Question about NCUC faq relating to membership

Mon Nov 14 21:24:39 CET 2011

Hi Tamir,

interesting!...Thanks for sharing.

BTW, no apologies needed...

I understand the appeal feature...right now the balance of power within
NCSG would make it ineffective. Appealing or using ombdusman should be a
last resort when dialogue has broken down. Much more deesirable to look at
the facts, most often then, the decision becomes obvious.

I think an organization interested in ICANN can choose to join the
Constituency that makes the most sense for that organization... and use the
Statement of Interest (SOI) to be transparent about secondary interests or
apparent conflicts of interest... Where I have a concern is when those
"other" interests are not declared at all... and/or that SOIs are not
available... It always raise the issue if this is as a result of neglect or
by design... neither options are much desirable!

Indeed, all this is needed to keep ICANN a true multi-stakeholder
organization. Bill Clinton, like him or not, made that very clear at his
San Francisco address during ICANN 40. His text should be required reading
for all new comers to ICANN and a good refresher for all.

Cheers, Alain

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Tamir Israel <tisrael at cippic.ca> wrote:

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> Hi Alain,****
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> Thank you for clarifying this for me. ****
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> I apologize if I am merely rehashing m**at**ters th**at** have already
> been addressed (I am somewh**at** new to the list). From wh**at** I
> understand, it is fairly common for groups such as this to assess
> membership internally with an appeal process. Th**at** appears to be the
> practice for other constituency groups: ****
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> http://www.ipconstituency.org/join-the-ipc/ ****
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> http://www.ipconstituency.org/bylaws/ ****
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> http://www.bizconst.org/responsibilities.htm ****
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> http://www.bizconst.org/charter.htm ****
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> I think this is to some extent unavoidable. ****
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> I note with some amusement th**at** my own legal clinic (CIPPIC) would
> likely qualify for both the IP and the Bus constituencies, given a very
> narrow interpret**at**ion, because, while we advoc**at**e in the public
> interest, we are composed of copyright lawyers and do on occasion consult
> with for-profit e-commerce organiz**at**ions where this will further the
> public interest. However, were we to do so, I think it would pose serious
> challenges for a multi-stakeholder model such as th**at** ICANN aspires
> to.****
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> Best regards,****
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> Tamir****
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> *From:* Alain Berranger [mailto:alain.berranger at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* November 14, 2011 2:36 PM
> *To:* Tamir Israel
> *Cc:* NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
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> *Subject:* Re: Question about NCUC faq rel**at**ing to membership
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> Tamir,****
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> no objection **at** all... as an applied research grantmaking
> practitioner in the past, as well as a retired evalu**at**ion consultant
> for intern**at**ional development agencies, I have seen the benefits of
> assessments being made on the basis of facts (or evidence if you prefer)
> which I define as objectively verifiable by an independant and uninterested
> third party. I suggest th**at** norm be followed for admitting members
> into our constituencies and stakeholders' group.
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> Alain****
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> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 **at** 2:03 PM, Tamir ****Israel**** <
> tisrael at cippic.ca> wrote:****
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> Hi there,****
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> I just wanted to clarify if you’re objection is to **at**tempts **at**assessing ‘real non-commercial’ in general, or to specific line-drawing
> with respect to one applic**at**ion (Olympic committee). If the objective
> is to ensure true represent**at**ion of non-commercial interests, legal
> (or .org) non-profit st**at**us is not enough, I think. It would be far
> too easy to game, as any commercial interest can quite easily set up a
> non-profit wing. In fact, it’s fairly common practice for industry or
> business groups to set up non-profits precisely for the purpose of
> advancing commercial interests. I can think of many examples.****
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> The legal criteria for ‘non-profit’ rel**at**e to financial structuring,
> not to ‘interests advanced’. There do not appear to be any requirements for
> .org registr**at**ion. Given this, I think it is incumbent upon NCSG to
> do some sort of assessment to ensure th**at** it remains represent**at**ive
> of non-commercial interests.****
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> Best,****
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> Tamir****
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> *From:* NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] *On Behalf Of
> *Alain Berranger
> *Sent:* November 13, 2011 12:23 PM
> *To:* NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: Question about NCUC faq rel**at**ing to membership****
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> Meanwhile, I think we can only be taken seriously inside and outside ICANN
> and do meaningful work, if we have hundred more if not thousands of NGO/NFP
> members... so arguing about this NGO or this NFP being a "real
> non-commercial" seems counterproductive to me!... You will surely agree
> with me th**at** academics support evidence-based decisions and the
> definition of an NGO/NFP is not rocket science neither...****
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> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA****
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> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
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> NA represent**at**ive, Chasquinet Found**at**ion, www.chasquinet.org
> interim Vice Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
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> Skype: alain.berranger****
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Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
Member, Board of Directors, CECI,
http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
interim Vice Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
Skype: alain.berranger
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