Question about NCUC faq relating to membership

[Tamir Israel]

Hi Alain,



Thank you for clarifying this for me.



I apologize if I am merely rehashing matters that have already been
addressed (I am somewhat new to the list). From what I understand, it is
fairly common for groups such as this to assess membership internally with
an appeal process. That appears to be the practice for other constituency
groups:



http://www.ipconstituency.org/join-the-ipc/

http://www.ipconstituency.org/bylaws/

http://www.bizconst.org/responsibilities.htm

http://www.bizconst.org/charter.htm



I think this is to some extent unavoidable.



I note with some amusement that my own legal clinic (CIPPIC) would likely
qualify for both the IP and the Bus constituencies, given a very narrow
interpretation, because, while we advocate in the public interest, we are
composed of copyright lawyers and do on occasion consult with for-profit
e-commerce organizations where this will further the public interest.
However, were we to do so, I think it would pose serious challenges for a
multi-stakeholder model such as that ICANN aspires to.



Best regards,

Tamir



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From: Alain Berranger [mailto:alain.berranger at gmail.com]
Sent: November 14, 2011 2:36 PM
To: Tamir Israel
Cc: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
Subject: Re: Question about NCUC faq relating to membership



Tamir,



no objection at all... as an applied research grantmaking practitioner in
the past, as well as a retired evaluation consultant for international
development agencies, I have seen the benefits of assessments being made on
the basis of facts (or evidence if you prefer) which I define as objectively
verifiable by an independant and uninterested third party. I suggest that
norm be followed for admitting members into our constituencies and
stakeholders' group.

Alain

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Tamir Israel <tisrael at cippic.ca> wrote:

Hi there,



I just wanted to clarify if you're objection is to attempts at assessing
'real non-commercial' in general, or to specific line-drawing with respect
to one application (Olympic committee). If the objective is to ensure true
representation of non-commercial interests, legal (or .org) non-profit
status is not enough, I think. It would be far too easy to game, as any
commercial interest can quite easily set up a non-profit wing. In fact, it's
fairly common practice for industry or business groups to set up non-profits
precisely for the purpose of advancing commercial interests. I can think of
many examples.

The legal criteria for 'non-profit' relate to financial structuring, not to
'interests advanced'. There do not appear to be any requirements for .org
registration. Given this, I think it is incumbent upon NCSG to do some sort
of assessment to ensure that it remains representative of non-commercial
interests.



Best,

Tamir



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From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Alain
Berranger
Sent: November 13, 2011 12:23 PM
To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: Question about NCUC faq relating to membership



Meanwhile, I think we can only be taken seriously inside and outside ICANN
and do meaningful work, if we have hundred more if not thousands of NGO/NFP
members... so arguing about this NGO or this NFP being a "real
non-commercial" seems counterproductive to me!... You will surely agree with
me that academics support evidence-based decisions and the definition of an
NGO/NFP is not rocket science neither...









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