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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'>Hi Alain,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'>Thank you for clarifying this for me. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'>I apologize if I am merely rehashing m<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ters th<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>
have already been addressed (I am somewh<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>
new to the list). From wh<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> I
understand, it is fairly common for groups such as this to assess membership
internally with an appeal process. Th<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>
appears to be the practice for other constituency groups: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'><a
href="http://www.ipconstituency.org/join-the-ipc/">http://www.ipconstituency.org/join-the-ipc/</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'><a
href="http://www.ipconstituency.org/bylaws/">http://www.ipconstituency.org/bylaws/</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'><a
href="http://www.bizconst.org/responsibilities.htm">http://www.bizconst.org/responsibilities.htm</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'><a
href="http://www.bizconst.org/charter.htm">http://www.bizconst.org/charter.htm</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'>I think this is to some extent unavoidable.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'>I note with some amusement th<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> my own legal clinic (CIPPIC) would likely qualify
for both the IP and the Bus constituencies, given a very narrow interpret<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ion, because, while we advoc<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>e
in the public interest, we are composed of copyright lawyers and do on occasion
consult with for-profit e-commerce organiz<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ions
where this will further the public interest. However, were we to do so, I think
it would pose serious challenges for a multi-stakeholder model such as th<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> ICANN aspires to.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'>Tamir<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
Alain Berranger [mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> November 14, 2011 2:36 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Tamir Israel<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Question about NCUC
faq rel<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ing to membership</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Tamir,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>no objection <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> all... as an applied research grantmaking
practitioner in the past, as well as a retired evalu<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ion
consultant for intern<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ional
development agencies, I have seen the benefits of assessments being made on the
basis of facts (or evidence if you prefer) which I define as objectively
verifiable by an independant and uninterested third party. I suggest th<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> norm be followed for admitting members into our
constituencies and stakeholders' group.<br>
<br>
Alain<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 <st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> 2:03
PM, Tamir <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region>
<<a href="mailto:tisrael@cippic.ca">tisrael@cippic.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'>Hi there,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'>I just wanted to clarify if you’re objection is to <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>tempts <st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>
assessing ‘real non-commercial’ in general, or to specific
line-drawing with respect to one applic<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ion
(Olympic committee). If the objective is to ensure true represent<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ion of non-commercial interests, legal (or .org)
non-profit st<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>us is not enough, I
think. It would be far too easy to game, as any commercial interest can quite
easily set up a non-profit wing. In fact, it’s fairly common practice for
industry or business groups to set up non-profits precisely for the purpose of
advancing commercial interests. I can think of many examples.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:navy'>The legal criteria for ‘non-profit’
rel<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>e to financial structuring, not
to ‘interests advanced’. There do not appear to be any requirements
for .org registr<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ion. Given this, I
think it is incumbent upon NCSG to do some sort of assessment to ensure th<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> it remains represent<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ive
of non-commercial interests.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'>Best,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'>Tamir</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> NCSG-Discuss [mailto:<a
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Alain Berranger<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> November 13, 2011 12:23 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Question about NCUC
faq rel<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ing to membership</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Meanwhile, I think
we can only be taken seriously inside and outside ICANN and do meaningful work,
if we have hundred more if not thousands of NGO/NFP members... so arguing about
this NGO or this NFP being a "real non-commercial" seems
counterproductive to me!... You will surely agree with me th<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> academics support evidence-based decisions and
the definition of an NGO/NFP is not rocket science neither...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>-- <br>
Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Member, Board of Directors, CECI, <a
href="http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/" target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, <a
href="http://www.schulich.yorku.ca" target="_blank">www.schulich.yorku.ca</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>NA represent<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ive,
Chasquinet Found<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ion, </span></font><font
color="#0a246a" face=serif><span style='font-family:serif;color:#0A246A'><a
href="http://www.chasquinet.org" target="_blank">www.chasquinet.org</a></span></font><br>
interim Vice Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, <a href="http://npoc.org/"
target="_blank">http://npoc.org/</a><br>
O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824<br>
Skype: alain.berranger<o:p></o:p></p>
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