[NCUC-EC] [Ext] Re: ICANN84 CROP

Wed Sep 3 22:00:46 CEST 2025

Hello Andrea, please let's proceed with the majority decision. I fully
support it, and I’m sorry for getting back to you late.

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On Wed, 3 Sept 2025, 4:44 pm Namra Naseer, <fr.namra at gmail.com> wrote:

> If someone can send a reminder to Wisdom, we can proceed with the
> decision.
>
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2025 at 11:41 AM Pedro de Perdigão Lana <
> pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mili,
>>
>> Reinforcing my previous message, the issue discussed back then was not
>> travel slots, but people participating in multiple groups and potentially
>> not dedicating themselves to the constituency. In other words, the problem
>> here is stimulating more people who are not truly engaged to be part of
>> NCSG and NCUC, as this is an issue we already have and may lead to further
>> deterioration of the group, such as normalizing a lack of fulfillment even
>> of the basic tasks/obligations.
>>
>> Cordially,
>>
>> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
>> Lawyer <https://www.nic.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR <https://www.gedai.com.br/>
>> Researcher
>> PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
>> Coordination/Board/EC @ ISOC Brazil <https://www.isoc.org.br/>, NCUC
>> <https://www.ncuc.org/> & NCSG
>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Home>(ICANN) and CC
>> Brazil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>.
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>>
>> Em qua., 3 de set. de 2025 às 02:24, Mili <milisemlani at gmail.com>
>> escreveu:
>>
>>> To Pedro’s point, I think we at NCUC also have people with more than one
>>> position with their own travels slots… eg: Pedro and Amin are  NCUC
>>> representatives to NCSG and NCUC EC members (even while it’s in the same
>>> constituency) both these positions come with travel slots and won’t it look
>>> a bit hypocritical on our part to set a rule against that when we are
>>> ourselves holding multiple positions with travel slots.
>>>
>>> Just my two cents.
>>> --
>>> With gratitude
>>> Mili Semlani
>>> Journalist & Engagement Manager
>>> Founder @ Youth4IG <http://youth4ig.asia/>
>>> Instagram <https://www.instagram.com/theuntraveller/> | LinkedIn
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/milisemlani/>
>>>
>>> On 3 Sep 2025, at 04:37, Pedro de Perdigão Lana <
>>> pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I was trying to find a solution, and Yao mentioned he'd need to apply
>>> for a visa at least 3 months in advance to be sure he would be able to get
>>> it. It is possible that he would still be able to get the visa on time, but
>>> it is not a certain thing, and because of that, Atif goes back to being my
>>> choice. This means we have 4 votes for him now.
>>>
>>> Cordially,
>>>
>>> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
>>> Lawyer <https://www.nic.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR <https://www.gedai.com.br/>
>>> Researcher
>>> PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
>>> Coordination/Board/EC @ ISOC Brazil <https://www.isoc.org.br/>, NCUC
>>> <https://www.ncuc.org/> & NCSG
>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Home>(ICANN) and CC
>>> Brazil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>.
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>>>
>>> Em ter., 2 de set. de 2025 às 13:17, Pedro de Perdigão Lana <
>>> pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> Hi Namra, I think we are talking about two different processes. The
>>>> discussion we had in the selection process of the FC was not about serving
>>>> in two positions eligible for travel. The FC was not one of these, and I
>>>> believe the person who was applying also was not in a position with a
>>>> travel opportunity in NCSG or other groups.
>>>>
>>>> Cordially,
>>>>
>>>> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
>>>> Lawyer <https://www.nic.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR <https://www.gedai.com.br/>
>>>> Researcher
>>>> PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
>>>> Coordination/Board/EC @ ISOC Brazil <https://www.isoc.org.br/>, NCUC
>>>> <https://www.ncuc.org/> & NCSG
>>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Home>(ICANN) and CC
>>>> Brazil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>.
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Em ter., 2 de set. de 2025 às 13:13, Namra Naseer <fr.namra at gmail.com>
>>>> escreveu:
>>>>
>>>>> As long as the person is 1. Contributing and active 2. Eligible. I
>>>>> don't see a problem. I don't think you can travel on two CROP slots anyway.
>>>>> The point made previously was about people *serving in two positions*
>>>>> that are both eligible for travel, that is when a travel slot is wasted.
>>>>>
>>>>> This process (EC selection) is in place to avoid the exact
>>>>> circumstances you pointed out. NCSG/NCUC/NPOC is not a subsidiary
>>>>> opportunity and that is why we are here to filter out applications.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's finalize soon so the recipient can make timely arrangements.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2025 at 10:51 AM Pedro de Perdigão Lana <
>>>>> pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm, so this is not a small issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We already discussed in previous selection processes about being in
>>>>>> two groups at the same time (I think the most recent one in NCUC was in the
>>>>>> NCUC FC application, although at NCSG level this was mentioned other
>>>>>> times): it is not by itself a problem, as long as the person does not
>>>>>> occupy positions/apply for travel slots in both, since this is a potential
>>>>>> harmful practice for guaranteeing future engagement in non-commercial
>>>>>> activities. When I talked with Atif back at the meeting, I was trying to
>>>>>> steer him in the non-commercial direction. Other groups already do this
>>>>>> filter, and I think it may be risky to create an image that NCSG/NCUC/NPOC
>>>>>> is a subsidiary opportunity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The thing here is that I'm not comfortable with denying an
>>>>>> application for someone under a reasoning that is not always applied (I
>>>>>> don't know if others also share the same reasoning), as it feels unfair to
>>>>>> the person denied. If we choose to proceed with Atif, which is still a
>>>>>> possibility, I think it would be important to establish a clear guideline
>>>>>> on that, so we can also put this in the Operating Procedures and avoid
>>>>>> inconsistency. Should we accept those situations or not, and, if yes
>>>>>> (again, I believe this is a choice, not a problem in itself), overall or
>>>>>> under certain circumstances?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cordially,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
>>>>>> Lawyer <https://www.nic.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR <https://www.gedai.com.br/>
>>>>>> Researcher
>>>>>> PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
>>>>>> Coordination/Board/EC @ ISOC Brazil <https://www.isoc.org.br/>, NCUC
>>>>>> <https://www.ncuc.org/> & NCSG
>>>>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Home>(ICANN)
>>>>>> and CC Brazil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>.
>>>>>> This message is restricted to the sender and recipient(s). If
>>>>>> received by mistake, please reply informing it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Em ter., 2 de set. de 2025 às 11:54, Amin Hacha <aminhacha at gmail.com>
>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes . He was elected for the coming term .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2025, 16:40 Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It looks like Mohammad Atif Aleem is on the EURALO Board:
>>>>>>>> https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/GACGDg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From: *Pedro de Perdigão Lana <pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> *Date: *Tuesday, September 2, 2025 at 09:03
>>>>>>>> *To: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>>>>>>>> *Cc: *Amin Hacha <aminhacha at gmail.com>, "Exec. Comm" <
>>>>>>>> ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [NCUC-EC] [Ext] Re: ICANN84 CROP
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Andrea,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have we confirmed Atif is not currently in an ALAC/At-Large
>>>>>>>> position? If he is not, my vote is for him as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cordially,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lawyer [nic.br]
>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.nic.br/__;!!PtGJab4!7wg6PwJKZN5K1IL-EyDWbm2sxTfkD9I82Y9K10rUuAuaAuPgYGo-UuL74u0rkfPBCVP1zPhMMYEH1DBSrrMbBpZqKverRgtJ68mK$>,
>>>>>>>> GEDAI/UFPR [gedai.com.br]
>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.gedai.com.br/__;!!PtGJab4!7wg6PwJKZN5K1IL-EyDWbm2sxTfkD9I82Y9K10rUuAuaAuPgYGo-UuL74u0rkfPBCVP1zPhMMYEH1DBSrrMbBpZqKverRjbZ27OI$>
>>>>>>>> Researcher
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Coordination/Board/EC @ ISOC Brazil [isoc.org.br]
>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.isoc.org.br/__;!!PtGJab4!7wg6PwJKZN5K1IL-EyDWbm2sxTfkD9I82Y9K10rUuAuaAuPgYGo-UuL74u0rkfPBCVP1zPhMMYEH1DBSrrMbBpZqKverRiBVO19Q$>
>>>>>>>> , NCUC [ncuc.org]
>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.ncuc.org/__;!!PtGJab4!7wg6PwJKZN5K1IL-EyDWbm2sxTfkD9I82Y9K10rUuAuaAuPgYGo-UuL74u0rkfPBCVP1zPhMMYEH1DBSrrMbBpZqKverRjHxVjIg$>
>>>>>>>>  & NCSG  <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Home>(ICANN)
>>>>>>>> and CC Brazil [br.creativecommons.net]
>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/br.creativecommons.net/__;!!PtGJab4!7wg6PwJKZN5K1IL-EyDWbm2sxTfkD9I82Y9K10rUuAuaAuPgYGo-UuL74u0rkfPBCVP1zPhMMYEH1DBSrrMbBpZqKverRqezfi3S$>
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Em ter., 2 de set. de 2025 às 10:45, Andrea Glandon <
>>>>>>>> andrea.glandon at icann.org> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have confirmed that Adarsh BU is in India and therefore not
>>>>>>>> qualified for this CROP slot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From: *NCUC-EC <ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org> on behalf of
>>>>>>>> Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>>>>>>>> *Date: *Tuesday, September 2, 2025 at 08:10
>>>>>>>> *To: *Amin Hacha <aminhacha at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> *Cc: *"Exec. Comm" <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [NCUC-EC] [Ext] Re: ICANN84 CROP
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, Mohamad is in Sweden according to his membership information.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From: *Amin Hacha <aminhacha at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> *Date: *Thursday, August 28, 2025 at 11:10
>>>>>>>> *To: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>>>>>>>> *Cc: *"Exec. Comm" <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
>>>>>>>> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [NCUC-EC] ICANN84 CROP
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Andrea,
>>>>>>>> Thank you for the update.
>>>>>>>> From Adarsh Bu’s LinkedIn profile, it looks like he is based in
>>>>>>>> Hyderabad, India—unless he has recently moved to Europe. Would you mind
>>>>>>>> sending him an email to confirm? I guess that we must ask the same for
>>>>>>>> Mohamad Atief.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, could you please remind us of the deadline for
>>>>>>>> deciding about the name.
>>>>>>>> Best ,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Amin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2025 at 4:40 PM Andrea Glandon <
>>>>>>>> andrea.glandon at icann.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please find below the response document for the ICANN84 CROP slot.
>>>>>>>> Please note that Adarsh BU appears to be in India.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19qBxznD0T_LHnIr6GRc7fTxQO65C7KvPAFOFmA-kx0s/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>> [docs.google.com]
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Andrea Glandon*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Policy Operations Sr. Coordinator
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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