[NCUC-EC] [Ext] Re: ICANN84 CROP

Namra Naseer fr.namra at gmail.com
Wed Sep 3 18:44:05 CEST 2025 

If someone can send a reminder to Wisdom, we can proceed with the decision.

On Wed, Sep 3, 2025 at 11:41 AM Pedro de Perdigão Lana <
pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mili,
>
> Reinforcing my previous message, the issue discussed back then was not
> travel slots, but people participating in multiple groups and potentially
> not dedicating themselves to the constituency. In other words, the problem
> here is stimulating more people who are not truly engaged to be part of
> NCSG and NCUC, as this is an issue we already have and may lead to further
> deterioration of the group, such as normalizing a lack of fulfillment even
> of the basic tasks/obligations.
>
> Cordially,
>
> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
> Lawyer <https://www.nic.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR <https://www.gedai.com.br/>
> Researcher
> PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
> Coordination/Board/EC @ ISOC Brazil <https://www.isoc.org.br/>, NCUC
> <https://www.ncuc.org/> & NCSG
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> Em qua., 3 de set. de 2025 às 02:24, Mili <milisemlani at gmail.com>
> escreveu:
>
>> To Pedro’s point, I think we at NCUC also have people with more than one
>> position with their own travels slots… eg: Pedro and Amin are  NCUC
>> representatives to NCSG and NCUC EC members (even while it’s in the same
>> constituency) both these positions come with travel slots and won’t it look
>> a bit hypocritical on our part to set a rule against that when we are
>> ourselves holding multiple positions with travel slots.
>>
>> Just my two cents.
>> --
>> With gratitude
>> Mili Semlani
>> Journalist & Engagement Manager
>> Founder @ Youth4IG <http://youth4ig.asia/>
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>>
>> On 3 Sep 2025, at 04:37, Pedro de Perdigão Lana <
>> pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was trying to find a solution, and Yao mentioned he'd need to apply for
>> a visa at least 3 months in advance to be sure he would be able to get it.
>> It is possible that he would still be able to get the visa on time, but it
>> is not a certain thing, and because of that, Atif goes back to being my
>> choice. This means we have 4 votes for him now.
>>
>> Cordially,
>>
>> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
>> Lawyer <https://www.nic.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR <https://www.gedai.com.br/>
>> Researcher
>> PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
>> Coordination/Board/EC @ ISOC Brazil <https://www.isoc.org.br/>, NCUC
>> <https://www.ncuc.org/> & NCSG
>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Home>(ICANN) and CC
>> Brazil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>.
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>>
>> Em ter., 2 de set. de 2025 às 13:17, Pedro de Perdigão Lana <
>> pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>
>>> Hi Namra, I think we are talking about two different processes. The
>>> discussion we had in the selection process of the FC was not about serving
>>> in two positions eligible for travel. The FC was not one of these, and I
>>> believe the person who was applying also was not in a position with a
>>> travel opportunity in NCSG or other groups.
>>>
>>> Cordially,
>>>
>>> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
>>> Lawyer <https://www.nic.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR <https://www.gedai.com.br/>
>>> Researcher
>>> PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
>>> Coordination/Board/EC @ ISOC Brazil <https://www.isoc.org.br/>, NCUC
>>> <https://www.ncuc.org/> & NCSG
>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Home>(ICANN) and CC
>>> Brazil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>.
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>>>
>>> Em ter., 2 de set. de 2025 às 13:13, Namra Naseer <fr.namra at gmail.com>
>>> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> As long as the person is 1. Contributing and active 2. Eligible. I
>>>> don't see a problem. I don't think you can travel on two CROP slots anyway.
>>>> The point made previously was about people *serving in two positions*
>>>> that are both eligible for travel, that is when a travel slot is wasted.
>>>>
>>>> This process (EC selection) is in place to avoid the exact
>>>> circumstances you pointed out. NCSG/NCUC/NPOC is not a subsidiary
>>>> opportunity and that is why we are here to filter out applications.
>>>>
>>>> Let's finalize soon so the recipient can make timely arrangements.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2025 at 10:51 AM Pedro de Perdigão Lana <
>>>> pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm, so this is not a small issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> We already discussed in previous selection processes about being in
>>>>> two groups at the same time (I think the most recent one in NCUC was in the
>>>>> NCUC FC application, although at NCSG level this was mentioned other
>>>>> times): it is not by itself a problem, as long as the person does not
>>>>> occupy positions/apply for travel slots in both, since this is a potential
>>>>> harmful practice for guaranteeing future engagement in non-commercial
>>>>> activities. When I talked with Atif back at the meeting, I was trying to
>>>>> steer him in the non-commercial direction. Other groups already do this
>>>>> filter, and I think it may be risky to create an image that NCSG/NCUC/NPOC
>>>>> is a subsidiary opportunity.
>>>>>
>>>>> The thing here is that I'm not comfortable with denying an application
>>>>> for someone under a reasoning that is not always applied (I don't know if
>>>>> others also share the same reasoning), as it feels unfair to the person
>>>>> denied. If we choose to proceed with Atif, which is still a possibility, I
>>>>> think it would be important to establish a clear guideline on that, so we
>>>>> can also put this in the Operating Procedures and avoid inconsistency.
>>>>> Should we accept those situations or not, and, if yes (again, I believe
>>>>> this is a choice, not a problem in itself), overall or under certain
>>>>> circumstances?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cordially,
>>>>>
>>>>> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
>>>>> Lawyer <https://www.nic.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR <https://www.gedai.com.br/>
>>>>> Researcher
>>>>> PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
>>>>> Coordination/Board/EC @ ISOC Brazil <https://www.isoc.org.br/>, NCUC
>>>>> <https://www.ncuc.org/> & NCSG
>>>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Home>(ICANN) and CC
>>>>> Brazil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>.
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>>>>>
>>>>> Em ter., 2 de set. de 2025 às 11:54, Amin Hacha <aminhacha at gmail.com>
>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes . He was elected for the coming term .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2025, 16:40 Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It looks like Mohammad Atif Aleem is on the EURALO Board:
>>>>>>> https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/GACGDg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From: *Pedro de Perdigão Lana <pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> *Date: *Tuesday, September 2, 2025 at 09:03
>>>>>>> *To: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>>>>>>> *Cc: *Amin Hacha <aminhacha at gmail.com>, "Exec. Comm" <
>>>>>>> ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [NCUC-EC] [Ext] Re: ICANN84 CROP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Andrea,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have we confirmed Atif is not currently in an ALAC/At-Large
>>>>>>> position? If he is not, my vote is for him as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cordially,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lawyer [nic.br]
>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.nic.br/__;!!PtGJab4!7wg6PwJKZN5K1IL-EyDWbm2sxTfkD9I82Y9K10rUuAuaAuPgYGo-UuL74u0rkfPBCVP1zPhMMYEH1DBSrrMbBpZqKverRgtJ68mK$>,
>>>>>>> GEDAI/UFPR [gedai.com.br]
>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.gedai.com.br/__;!!PtGJab4!7wg6PwJKZN5K1IL-EyDWbm2sxTfkD9I82Y9K10rUuAuaAuPgYGo-UuL74u0rkfPBCVP1zPhMMYEH1DBSrrMbBpZqKverRjbZ27OI$>
>>>>>>> Researcher
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Coordination/Board/EC @ ISOC Brazil [isoc.org.br]
>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.isoc.org.br/__;!!PtGJab4!7wg6PwJKZN5K1IL-EyDWbm2sxTfkD9I82Y9K10rUuAuaAuPgYGo-UuL74u0rkfPBCVP1zPhMMYEH1DBSrrMbBpZqKverRiBVO19Q$>
>>>>>>> , NCUC [ncuc.org]
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>>>>>>>  & NCSG  <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Home>(ICANN)
>>>>>>> and CC Brazil [br.creativecommons.net]
>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/br.creativecommons.net/__;!!PtGJab4!7wg6PwJKZN5K1IL-EyDWbm2sxTfkD9I82Y9K10rUuAuaAuPgYGo-UuL74u0rkfPBCVP1zPhMMYEH1DBSrrMbBpZqKverRqezfi3S$>
>>>>>>> .
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Em ter., 2 de set. de 2025 às 10:45, Andrea Glandon <
>>>>>>> andrea.glandon at icann.org> escreveu:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have confirmed that Adarsh BU is in India and therefore not
>>>>>>> qualified for this CROP slot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From: *NCUC-EC <ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org> on behalf of
>>>>>>> Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>>>>>>> *Date: *Tuesday, September 2, 2025 at 08:10
>>>>>>> *To: *Amin Hacha <aminhacha at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> *Cc: *"Exec. Comm" <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [NCUC-EC] [Ext] Re: ICANN84 CROP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, Mohamad is in Sweden according to his membership information.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From: *Amin Hacha <aminhacha at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> *Date: *Thursday, August 28, 2025 at 11:10
>>>>>>> *To: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>>>>>>> *Cc: *"Exec. Comm" <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
>>>>>>> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [NCUC-EC] ICANN84 CROP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Andrea,
>>>>>>> Thank you for the update.
>>>>>>> From Adarsh Bu’s LinkedIn profile, it looks like he is based in
>>>>>>> Hyderabad, India—unless he has recently moved to Europe. Would you mind
>>>>>>> sending him an email to confirm? I guess that we must ask the same for
>>>>>>> Mohamad Atief.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, could you please remind us of the deadline for
>>>>>>> deciding about the name.
>>>>>>> Best ,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Amin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2025 at 4:40 PM Andrea Glandon <
>>>>>>> andrea.glandon at icann.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please find below the response document for the ICANN84 CROP slot.
>>>>>>> Please note that Adarsh BU appears to be in India.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19qBxznD0T_LHnIr6GRc7fTxQO65C7KvPAFOFmA-kx0s/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>> [docs.google.com]
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Andrea Glandon*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Policy Operations Sr. Coordinator
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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