[NCUC-EC] URGENT - Extension in nomination Period ? Please reply

Mon Jun 1 06:53:16 CEST 2020

Hi Bruna,

I will defer to your thinking on this. You’re closer to the issue, and you’re the one who’s going to be dealing with this dynamic much more directly going forward. I wanted to accept the extension, mainly because I wasn’t happy that I had been unable to find another NA candidate, and was hoping someone would step forward, but I will change my position if it helps us find consensus, and in recognition that there are broader issues at play.

Do what you think is best.

Michael

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> On Jun 1, 2020, at 12:27 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey all, 
> 
> I am still waiting from your answers on this matter. It is obviously urgent and we need to present the constituency a decision tomorrow morning. 
> 
> From what I understand we have three options: 
> 
> (a) Extend the nomination period until June 2nd, 12h00 UTC; 
> (b) Move on with the elections and the agreed upon timeline and open a call to fill the NCUC EC rep for North America in July; 
> (c) Move on with the elections and the agreed upon timeline and open a call to fill the NCUC EC rep for North America in november, with the new EC and Chair in place. 
>  
> Being very honest with you, I personally think this situation was very rushed and I am feeling very frustrated with the lack of respect that was shown with the announcement that extended our deadline.  I do believe that processes such as the one we have faced on the NCSG list today tends to undermine our membership trust on the process and we should not allow that. 
> 
> So far, Louise and Mike have both responded to this thread. Michael agrees with an extension and, from what I understood, Louise doesnt. 
> 
> @Benjamin Akinmoyeje @Mili Semlani @franco giandana this is a very relevant issue and we cannot shy away from reaching a decision on this. Tomorrow at 12h00 utc we will have the meet the candidates call and I will, most likely, be inquired about that. So it would be nice to have a solution at some point. 
> 
> 
> best, 
> B
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, May 31, 2020 at 2:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] [URGENT] Fwd: Nomination period extended to Sunday (today) 23.59 PST
> To: Louise Marie Hurel <louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com>
> Cc: Exec. Comm <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
> 
> 
> Hey all, 
> 
> I have seen that Michael has already agreed with this on the NCSG thread but I dont think we should adopt this position, but I will explain it. Raoul might have been well intended but his announcement has interfered directly with a decision that only this group should take. 
> 
> About this, I understand how we do not have a candidate for the North American rep slot at the EC but I dont think that a deadline that was announced on a sunday morning without any notification or discussion with you is acceptable or shows any respect with our membership. This email was completely out of line and inconsiderate with the level of independence of NCUC as a constituency and also does not encompass any discussions we might have had on this list in the recent days. 
> 
> In light of it all, I would really wish you could agree with me on this. And that we could open a new process to fill the NA EC slot right after the elections just so we have a proper time to find a candidate. If we agree with this suggestion from Raoul we are also indirectly weakening the decision-making power of NCUC in these sort of deliberations, besides meddling with a process that was already agreed upon and communicated to our members. 
> 
> But I would like to hear back from you. 
> 
> best, 
> B
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 2:02 PM Louise Marie Hurel <louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com> wrote:
>> But the thing is, this will cause considerable disruption to our process. At the end of the day, it might actually be best for us to proceed with the timeline the way it is. We can have a more thorough discussion on the NCUC EC NA seat in the coming months and decide how to proceed. Expect the NCUC EC to have a discussion on this on a Sunday is not the right way to proceed - so I withdraw my previous remarks about considering the extension. I just saw the note on 17h being the proposed extension - it is virtually impossible and unfair to expect that a candidate that did not step up in the last period would immediately step up now. 
>> 
>> Let's continue with the NCUC EC NA with no candidate and have more time for a thorough discussion on this.
>> 
>> All the best,  
>> 
>> Louise Marie Hurel
>> Research and Project Development Cybersecurity and Digital Liberties Programme | Igarapé Institute
>> PhD Student Data, Networks, and Society | London School of Economics and Political Science (LSE)
>> Publications 
>> Skype: louise.dias | Twitter: @LouMarieHSD
>> louise at igarape.org.br
>> louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com 
>> 
>> Recent publications:
>> Hinojosa, P; Aiken, K; & Hurel, LM (2020). “Putting the technical community back into cyber (policy)”. In: Tikk and Kertunen. Routledge Handbook of International Cybersecurity. London: Routledge.
>> 
>> Hurel, L. M. & Lobato, L. C. (forthcoming) “Cyber-Norms Entrepreneurship? Understanding Microsoft’s advocacy on cybersecurity”. In D. Broeders & B. Van Der Berg (Eds.), Governing Cyberspace: Behaviour, Power and Diplomacy. Rowman and Littlefield.
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sun, 31 May 2020 at 17:43, Louise Marie Hurel <louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Bruna,
>>> 
>>> I also thought the email on postponing the elections was quite odd, since we have never discussed this and, as you rightfully pointed out, this not only steps over the pre-established timeline (to all constituencies) it also fails to consider the proper processes for these types of decisions to take place. 
>>> 
>>> I understand the concern with not having enough candidates for the position and that a few days could help. However, not only was this communicated without any prior conversation and no knowledge of the NCUC EC and chair whatsoever, but also communicated after the meet the candidates call - which makes no sense to me.
>>> 
>>> With that said, I think the extension would help us in buying more time to see if we have a candidate for EC NA but we do need to make it clear that this is not due to what Raul mentioned the NCSG EC decided to do. We can accept the suggestion, but not a direct running over the procedures. 
>>> 
>>> As an alternative to "meet the candidates", we can ask additional candidates to answer two-three questions, or highlight that any further questions to the candidate statement are more than welcome. 
>>> 
>>> What do you all think?
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Louise Marie Hurel
>>> Research and Project Development Cybersecurity and Digital Liberties Programme | Igarapé Institute
>>> PhD Student Data, Networks, and Society | London School of Economics and Political Science (LSE)
>>> Publications 
>>> Skype: louise.dias | Twitter: @LouMarieHSD
>>> louise at igarape.org.br
>>> louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> Recent publications:
>>> Hinojosa, P; Aiken, K; & Hurel, LM (2020). “Putting the technical community back into cyber (policy)”. In: Tikk and Kertunen. Routledge Handbook of International Cybersecurity. London: Routledge.
>>> 
>>> Hurel, L. M. & Lobato, L. C. (forthcoming) “Cyber-Norms Entrepreneurship? Understanding Microsoft’s advocacy on cybersecurity”. In D. Broeders & B. Van Der Berg (Eds.), Governing Cyberspace: Behaviour, Power and Diplomacy. Rowman and Littlefield.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, 31 May 2020 at 15:38, Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hey all, 
>>>> 
>>>> I dont understand why or how Raoul decided to extend our nomination period like this and without letting me or any of us know. 
>>>> 
>>>> Each constituency is independent in setting its own election calendar and we have discussed ours. What has happened is that NCSG EC was debating the extension of theirs and Raoul decided to extend it to us without our approval. 
>>>> 
>>>> While I understand the good intentions behind this, I also think it was absolutely disrespectful. But given that we do not have a NA candidate I would like to know if you would also like to extend the calendar or if we should close the ballot with the empty seat. 
>>>> 
>>>> Please advise on this, its a bit urgent.
>>>> 
>>>> best, 
>>>> B
>>>> 
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Sun, May 31, 2020 at 10:52 AM
>>>> Subject: Nomination period extended to Sunday (today) 23.59 PST
>>>> To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> 
>>>> The NCSG EC has decided to extend the nomination period for the NCSG and NCUC elections a little, practically with 17 hours 10 minutes, starting right now.
>>>> 
>>>> -Raoul
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Bruna Martins dos Santos 
>>>> 
>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>>>> @boomartins
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