[NCUC-EC] Fwd: URGENT - Extension in nomination Period ? Please reply

[Bruna Martins dos Santos]

Sorry everyone, just driving this conversation back to the list. I did not
notice I had taken it outside the list.

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From: franco giandana <fgiandana at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: URGENT - Extension in nomination Period ? Please reply
To: Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
Cc: Benjamin Akinmoyeje <benakin at gmail.com>, Mili Semlani <
milisemlani at gmail.com>


Yes, I agree.

El lun., 1 jun. 2020 a las 9:03, Bruna Martins dos Santos (<
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>) escribió:

> Just so you all understand, if we leave things for the next chair, the
> process will be already decided upon. What we are doing is simply allowing
> for them to open a call for the next NA rep as soon as they are in charge.
>
> But, in terms of continuity, it would be better to open a call shortly
> after elections just so we dont have the position vacant for the time it
> takes the next chair to find a replacement.
>
> best,
> B
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 8:27 AM franco giandana <fgiandana at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear NCUC EC,
>>
>> I will support the idea of moving on with the elections. The next EC
>> should decide on how to bring a NA representative.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Franco
>>
>> El lun., 1 jun. 2020 a las 6:57, Benjamin Akinmoyeje (<benakin at gmail.com>)
>> escribió:
>>
>>> Dear Chair,
>>> Good morning, sorry for the late reply. Are there interested individuals
>>> from NA willing to jump into the race? I also believe it is late however if
>>> it will give us an opportunity to fill that position I am open to it.
>>>
>>> Thank you for the options.
>>> I am voting for the *B* option.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Benjamin
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 7:39 AM Mili Semlani <milisemlani at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>   I think extension at this point (almost 11th hour) will hamper trust
>>>> in membership. I support option b or c which also helps us buy time and
>>>> explain the situation to our community.
>>>> --
>>>> With gratitude
>>>> Mili Semlani
>>>> Journalist & Engagement Manager
>>>> Founder @ Youth4IG <http://youth4ig.asia>
>>>> Instagram <https://www.instagram.com/theuntraveller/> | LinkedIn
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/milisemlani/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 at 09:57, Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am still waiting from your answers on this matter. It is obviously
>>>>> urgent and we need to present the constituency a decision tomorrow morning.
>>>>>
>>>>> From what I understand we have three options:
>>>>>
>>>>> (a) Extend the nomination period until June 2nd, 12h00 UTC;
>>>>> (b) Move on with the elections and the agreed upon timeline and open a
>>>>> call to fill the NCUC EC rep for North America in July;
>>>>> (c) Move on with the elections and the agreed upon timeline and open a
>>>>> call to fill the NCUC EC rep for North America in november, with the new EC
>>>>> and Chair in place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Being very honest with you, I personally think this situation was very
>>>>> rushed and I am feeling very frustrated with the lack of respect that was
>>>>> shown with the announcement that extended our deadline.  I do believe that
>>>>> processes such as the one we have faced on the NCSG list today tends to
>>>>> undermine our membership trust on the process and we should not allow that.
>>>>>
>>>>> So far, Louise and Mike have both responded to this thread. Michael
>>>>> agrees with an extension and, from what I understood, Louise doesnt.
>>>>>
>>>>> @Benjamin Akinmoyeje <benakin at gmail.com> @Mili Semlani
>>>>> <milisemlani at gmail.com> @franco giandana <fgiandana at gmail.com> this
>>>>> is a very relevant issue and we cannot shy away from reaching a decision on
>>>>> this. Tomorrow at 12h00 utc we will have the meet the candidates call and I
>>>>> will, most likely, be inquired about that. So it would be nice to have a
>>>>> solution at some point.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> best,
>>>>> B
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>> From: Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
>>>>> Date: Sun, May 31, 2020 at 2:33 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] [URGENT] Fwd: Nomination period extended to
>>>>> Sunday (today) 23.59 PST
>>>>> To: Louise Marie Hurel <louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: Exec. Comm <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have seen that Michael has already agreed with this on the NCSG
>>>>> thread but I dont think we should adopt this position, but I will
>>>>> explain it. Raoul might have been well intended but his announcement has
>>>>> interfered directly with a decision that only this group should take.
>>>>>
>>>>> About this, I understand how we do not have a candidate for the North
>>>>> American rep slot at the EC but I dont think that a deadline that was
>>>>> announced on a sunday morning without any notification or discussion with
>>>>> you is acceptable or shows any respect with our membership. This email was
>>>>> completely out of line and inconsiderate with the level of independence of
>>>>> NCUC as a constituency and also does not encompass any discussions we might
>>>>> have had on this list in the recent days.
>>>>>
>>>>> In light of it all, I would really wish you could agree with me on
>>>>> this. And that we could open a new process to fill the NA EC slot right
>>>>> after the elections just so we have a proper time to find a candidate. If
>>>>> we agree with this suggestion from Raoul we are also indirectly weakening
>>>>> the decision-making power of NCUC in these sort of deliberations, besides
>>>>> meddling with a process that was already agreed upon and communicated to
>>>>> our members.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I would like to hear back from you.
>>>>>
>>>>> best,
>>>>> B
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 2:02 PM Louise Marie Hurel <
>>>>> louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> But the thing is, this will cause considerable disruption to our
>>>>>> process. At the end of the day, it might actually be best for us to proceed
>>>>>> with the timeline the way it is. We can have a more thorough discussion on
>>>>>> the NCUC EC NA seat in the coming months and decide how to proceed. Expect
>>>>>> the NCUC EC to have a discussion on this on a Sunday is not the right way
>>>>>> to proceed - so I withdraw my previous remarks about considering the
>>>>>> extension. I just saw the note on 17h being the proposed extension - it is
>>>>>> virtually impossible and unfair to expect that a candidate that did not
>>>>>> step up in the last period would immediately step up now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's continue with the NCUC EC NA with no candidate and have more
>>>>>> time for a thorough discussion on this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Louise Marie Hurel*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Research and Project Development Cybersecurity and Digital Liberties
>>>>>> Programme | Igarapé Institute
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PhD Student Data, Networks, and Society | London School of Economics
>>>>>> and Political Science (LSE)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Publications
>>>>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Louise_Marie_Hurel/publications>
>>>>>> Skype: louise.dias | Twitter: @LouMarieHSD
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/LouMarieHSD>
>>>>>> louise at igarape.org.br
>>>>>> louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Recent publication*s:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hinojosa, P; Aiken, K; & Hurel, LM (2020). “*Putting the technical
>>>>>> community back into cyber (policy)*”. In: Tikk and Kertunen.
>>>>>> Routledge Handbook of International Cybersecurity. London: Routledge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hurel, L. M. & Lobato, L. C. (forthcoming) “*Cyber-Norms
>>>>>> Entrepreneurship? Understanding Microsoft’s advocacy on cybersecurity*”.
>>>>>> In D. Broeders & B. Van Der Berg (Eds.), *Governing Cyberspace:
>>>>>> Behaviour, Power and Diplomacy.* Rowman and Littlefield.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 31 May 2020 at 17:43, Louise Marie Hurel <
>>>>>> louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Bruna,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also thought the email on postponing the elections was quite odd,
>>>>>>> since we have never discussed this and, as you rightfully pointed out, this
>>>>>>> not only steps over the pre-established timeline (to all constituencies) it
>>>>>>> also fails to consider the proper processes for these types of decisions to
>>>>>>> take place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I understand the concern with not having enough candidates for the
>>>>>>> position and that a few days could help. However, not only was this
>>>>>>> communicated without any prior conversation and no knowledge of the NCUC EC
>>>>>>> and chair whatsoever, but also communicated after the meet the candidates
>>>>>>> call - which makes no sense to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With that said, I think the extension would help us in buying more
>>>>>>> time to see if we have a candidate for EC NA but we do need to make it
>>>>>>> clear that this is not due to what Raul mentioned the NCSG EC decided to
>>>>>>> do. We can accept the suggestion, but not a direct running over the
>>>>>>> procedures.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As an alternative to "meet the candidates", we can ask additional
>>>>>>> candidates to answer two-three questions, or highlight that any further
>>>>>>> questions to the candidate statement are more than welcome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you all think?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Louise Marie Hurel*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Research and Project Development Cybersecurity and Digital Liberties
>>>>>>> Programme | Igarapé Institute
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PhD Student Data, Networks, and Society | London School of Economics
>>>>>>> and Political Science (LSE)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Publications
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Louise_Marie_Hurel/publications>
>>>>>>> Skype: louise.dias | Twitter: @LouMarieHSD
>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/LouMarieHSD>
>>>>>>> louise at igarape.org.br
>>>>>>> louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Recent publication*s:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hinojosa, P; Aiken, K; & Hurel, LM (2020). “*Putting the technical
>>>>>>> community back into cyber (policy)*”. In: Tikk and Kertunen.
>>>>>>> Routledge Handbook of International Cybersecurity. London: Routledge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hurel, L. M. & Lobato, L. C. (forthcoming) “*Cyber-Norms
>>>>>>> Entrepreneurship? Understanding Microsoft’s advocacy on cybersecurity*”.
>>>>>>> In D. Broeders & B. Van Der Berg (Eds.), *Governing Cyberspace:
>>>>>>> Behaviour, Power and Diplomacy.* Rowman and Littlefield.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 31 May 2020 at 15:38, Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>>>>>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I dont understand why or how Raoul decided to extend our nomination
>>>>>>>> period like this and without letting me or any of us know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Each constituency is independent in setting its own election
>>>>>>>> calendar and we have discussed ours. What has happened is that NCSG EC was
>>>>>>>> debating the extension of theirs and Raoul decided to extend it to us
>>>>>>>> without our approval.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While I understand the good intentions behind this, I also think it
>>>>>>>> was absolutely disrespectful. But given that we do not have a NA candidate
>>>>>>>> I would like to know if you would also like to extend the calendar or if we
>>>>>>>> should close the ballot with the empty seat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please advise on this, its a bit urgent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>>> B
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>>> From: Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, May 31, 2020 at 10:52 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Nomination period extended to Sunday (today) 23.59 PST
>>>>>>>> To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The NCSG EC has decided to extend the nomination period for the
>>>>>>>> NCSG and NCUC elections a little, practically with 17 hours 10 minutes,
>>>>>>>> starting right now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Raoul
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>>>>>>>> @boomartins
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>>>>
>>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>>>>> @boomartins
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>>>>
>>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>>>>> @boomartins
>>>>>
>>>>
>
> --
> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>
> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
> @boomartins
>


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