[NCUC-EC] PIR

[Renata Aquino Ribeiro]

Hi Raoul

I`ll have to agree w/ Joan on this
I want the funding for NCUC just as much as NPOC wants funding for itself
However, you`re missing the big prize which is 2019 and focusing on
the Barcelona meeting only, where we already agreed to work together

Both NCUC, NPOC and NCSG need to make sure funds are used in 2019 in
the most transparent fashion possible

Being yourself NCSG EC, this is in your hands

So NCUC (and I guess NPOC) hopes to hear news from you soon how 2019 will be

Best

Renata




On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 4:27 PM, Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com> wrote:
> "Nice enough"? Seriously??
>
> If you didn't, you'd actually be going even more clearly against the will of
> OUR funder. I'm disappointed, that you're repeating the same things over and
> over, while blatantly ignoring the points I've made.
>
> Here's the relevant part off our SG charter:
> "The NCSG FC’s responsibilities include fund raising, setting voluntary
> contribution levels for members, determining procedures for the distribution
> of funds, and for monitoring the utilization of funds."
>
> As you can see, it says nothing about deciding on the allocation of funds
> received.
>
> I realise this bickering is taking all of our time from the actual work we'd
> need to be doing, so I suggest you stop treating me like an idiot and answer
> ALL the concerns I raised.
>
> Please also answer Remmy's questions that have now been ignored repeatedly
> by you.
>
> -Raoul
>
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018, 13:52 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> We go by the NCSG charter on that Raoul, in 2019. The funder letter is
>> pretty clear. NCUC has been nice enough to open its funding to everyone. at
>> NCSG. I am not gonna continue this conversation. Council is discussing EPDP
>> which is vital for us to pay attention to. I have clarified as much as I
>> could.
>>
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 2:35 PM Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Farzi,
>>>
>>> To be honest, you are apparently still ignoring the following paragraph,
>>> where it explicitly says, that the PIR prefers to fund the NCSG, and the
>>> only reason it's not sending funds to NCSG is the lack of tax ID and bank
>>> account.
>>>
>>> Where it says that "same is true for this year" could actually mean that
>>> the invoice is paid to NCUC, because again, NCSG lacks the bank account. The
>>> following paragraph about the preference to fund the SG instead, is free
>>> from possible misinterpretations. Sadly, you refuse to take it into account.
>>>
>>> I would also want to know, why isn't the PIR correspondence coming
>>> straight to the NCSG EC? That should also be changed for the future.
>>> Likewise, I think the NCSG FC has more of an advisory role than deciding on
>>> the allocation itself.
>>>
>>> -Raoul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2018 13:16, "Tapani Tarvainen" <ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Farzaneh,
>>>
>>> I'm quite sure this is the first time I have seen that message from
>>> Paul Diaz - to be sure I just checked my emails for entire May.
>>>
>>> Nor can I find it in ncsg-discuss archive - if someone can, please
>>> point it out. The archive can be found here:
>>>
>>> https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A0=NCSG-DISCUSS
>>>
>>> I don't know who you have shared it with before, but clearly lot of
>>> unnecessary grief has been caused because it did *not* reach all the
>>> people it should have.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Tapani
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 26 13:50, farzaneh badii (farzaneh.badii at gmail.com) wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Dear Raoul,
>>> >
>>> > Please read the copy paste email below from Paul. Which was sent after
>>> > Tapani and Joan sent me the email Tapani mentions and had asked me to
>>> > clarify. Note that  Paul's first response which prompted Tapani and
>>> > Joan to
>>> > seek clarification is deleted from the thread because it was not sent
>>> > to me
>>> > so I don't know if I can share it publicly. if Tapani and Joan see that
>>> > that email can be shared on a public list please feel free to do so.
>>> >
>>> > After Tapani and Joan email in April, we sought clarification from Paul
>>> > and
>>> > Paul in his May email has clarified very clearly that 2017 funding was
>>> > for
>>> > NCUC to be spent as it saw fit and that in 2018, NCUC can administer
>>> > 2018
>>> > support too. Please read it. I do not want to repeat this again. This
>>> > was
>>> > shared on NPOC EC as well when Paul sent it to us.
>>> >
>>> > I have shared this multiple times with you and on the NCSG mailing
>>> > list. If
>>> > you think that there is anything unclear, please seek clarity and
>>> > advice
>>> > from the funders. I have cc'd NCUC EC and NPOC EC for the sake of
>>> > transparency so that accusations are not taking place behind closed
>>> > doors
>>> > without people seeing the response, in his email, Paul says clearly
>>> > that he
>>> > will follow up with Joan. How about Joan seeks clarification from Paul
>>> > in
>>> > this meeting?
>>> >
>>> > To be very clear, in 2019, no PIR NCSG funding will go to the bank
>>> > account
>>> > of neither constituencies.   it will go to NCSG and NCSG Finance
>>> > Committee
>>> > as it is speculated in its charter decides on how to allocate across
>>> > the
>>> > constituencies based on its operating procedures which will be drafted
>>> > by
>>> > FC and approved by NCSG EC (as the charter says). If NPOC wants direct
>>> > funding from PIR, feel free to approach them.
>>> >
>>> > *From:* Paul Diaz
>>> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 2, 2018 4:57 PM
>>> > *To:* Mueller, Milton L; Badiei, Farzaneh
>>> > *Cc:* Brian Cute
>>> > *Subject:* RE: NCUC Annual Grant
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi, all
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sorry for the delayed response, it’s been more hectic than usual.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Please accept this note as Public Interest Registry’s confirmation that
>>> > the
>>> > financial support we offered in 2017 was paid to the Non-Commercial
>>> > Users
>>> > Constituency (NCUC) with the understanding that it’s leadership would
>>> > use
>>> > the funds as it saw fit. The same will be true for 2018 once that
>>> > invoice
>>> > is received. If NCUC leadership can administer this year’s support to
>>> > the
>>> > benefit of members of either the NCUC or the Not-for-Profit Operational
>>> > Concerns constituency, so much the better.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > As previously noted, Public Interest Registry would prefer to offer its
>>> > financial support to the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG), and
>>> > let
>>> > the NCSG’s leadership use it as it sees fit. Given the NCSG’s lack of
>>> > infrastructure (bank account, tax ID number), however, we will continue
>>> > to
>>> > engage directly with the NCUC via the existing arrangements.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Finally, Public Interest Registry is open to directly supporting NPOC
>>> > or
>>> > NCUC ad hoc projects that meet our collective interests and needs. We
>>> > make
>>> > no promises of support, however, and will need to review any such
>>> > opportunities on a case by case basis.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Please feel free to share this statement with your NPOC colleagues. I
>>> > also
>>> > intend to follow up with Joan Kerr on a related clarifying question
>>> > about
>>> > financial support.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Best, P
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>>
>>>
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