[NCUC-EC] NCUC PC
Elsa S
elsa.saade at gmail.com
Mon Jul 9 21:16:08 CEST 2018
Thanks Renata! So @louise @michael and @ines any feedback on your part?
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On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:52 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Whatever you decide to do, work on information on the call doc, work
> on another doc, decide soon and per majority please.
>
> Thanks
>
> Best
>
> Renata
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hey Renata,
> >
> > I think what Bruna meant is not about the call per se but what would come
> > before the call in terms of Operating Procedures that need to be in place
> > ahead of time.
> >
> > E.
> > —
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 10:49 AM Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Bruna
> >>
> >> The draft of the call is here. The EC can add the term length or
> >> whichever other details it thinks is necessary
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rVg0hPQsS9fNfdnNvNCoiLVZm82inH-b9SUIL0KFTvY/edit?usp=sharing
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos
> >> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I have a suggestion:
> >> >
> >> > Why dont we draft a composition, and some sort of Operating Procedures
> >> > and
> >> > share it with the list for comments? We could open our thoughts to
> them
> >> > and
> >> > explain that our new Bylaws state the creation of a PC but we still
> have
> >> > some doubts about its composition, date of creation (now or when the
> >> > next
> >> > leadership term begins) and etc, hence we are sharing it with the
> >> > constituency in an open consultation model as asking the Constituency
> to
> >> > help us create that.
> >> >
> >> > I am personally not sure whether or not we should start the PC now or
> >> > leave
> >> > it to the next leadership just so it will be well adjusted in the
> >> > leadership
> >> > terms.
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> > B
> >> >
> >> > 2018-07-09 11:24 GMT-03:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Rafik
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for your advice.
> >> >> With both yours and Farzaneh`s opposition to a PC NCUC, that leaves
> >> >> the EC in a difficult place.
> >> >> NCUC has Operating Procedures with about 1 year old, the term of the
> >> >> new appointees doesn`t need to be up until the election (like NCUC
> >> >> Nomcom rep isn`t).
> >> >> If there would be a need for procedures I`m sure just a clear set of
> >> >> guidelines would do.
> >> >>
> >> >> But, alas, we can`t have a PC NCUC to serve to NCSG with NCSG
> >> >> objection.
> >> >>
> >> >> That is also concerning since our sister constituency has its PC,
> >> >> including some who are our members too, who have tried initiaves with
> >> >> NCUC in policy but found other avenues at NPOC, such as their PC.
> >> >>
> >> >> I`m also surprised by the idea of giving up on doing things or stop
> >> >> moving giving elections is coming up.
> >> >> We should work on building, rather than stalling. If in the future
> >> >> there needs to be improvement or rebuilding it is not something that
> >> >> should justify a standstill.
> >> >> There has never been such a posture among NCUC leaders that I
> remember
> >> >> and it is quite uncanny to start this now.
> >> >> Even without trust on current or future leadership, the lack of
> action
> >> >> is the most disregard one can show towards the constituency
> >> >>
> >> >> I was far from being the main co-drafter of these bylaws, previous
> >> >> leadership were. Yet I think they are crucial to follow and we are
> >> >> mandated by board to implement them. So we read them up and try to do
> >> >> what is in there. How we plan to do it is trusting you and Farzaneh
> to
> >> >> be supporters with NCUC, with advice on the way follow.
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, we have a lot on our plate so PC NCUC is one of many tasks on
> >> >> our list. It is up to the EC whether we should move forward.
> >> >> As NCUC, I see no reason why we shouldn`t do these 2 appointments
> left
> >> >> for 1 year term.
> >> >> If we still need better guidelines for the PC-NCUC we can discuss
> with
> >> >> these new contributors involved.
> >> >> However, majority rules here.
> >> >> And would be best to decide on this with a better response than "we
> >> >> stopped for elections".
> >> >>
> >> >> Best,
> >> >>
> >> >> Renata
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 10:20 PM, Rafik Dammak <
> rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Hi,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I would start first to give some background and context as I
> >> >> > explained
> >> >> > partly in NCSG or NCUC list. The PC is not a new idea, it was in
> >> >> > previous
> >> >> > NCUC Bylaws even predating NCSG formation. What happened is when
> NCSG
> >> >> > was
> >> >> > formed and NCUC position was to move all policy to SG level, the
> >> >> > NCUC
> >> >> > PC
> >> >> > became dormant de facto and even previous NCUC bylaws inconsistent
> >> >> > with
> >> >> > NCSG
> >> >> > charter as not updated. When Farzaneh, myself and other members of
> EC
> >> >> > worked
> >> >> > on the last bylaws review, we updated the text, made it consistent
> it
> >> >> > with
> >> >> > the NCSG charter and also took into account some previous cases.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As I said, NCUC position since GNSO restructuring and moving to SG
> >> >> > model
> >> >> > was
> >> >> > to do policy at SG level. However, there were rare cases when NCUC
> >> >> > could
> >> >> > make a statement and NCUC EC was in a situation to endorse it while
> >> >> > it
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > not its remit. The new bylaws make the NCUC PC as a vehicle for
> that
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > can
> >> >> > be used when needed and relevant such supporting NCSG position to
> >> >> > give
> >> >> > more
> >> >> > weight.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > With regard to implementing the new bylaws in general, I think it
> >> >> > would
> >> >> > be
> >> >> > more useful to think about an implementation plan first. For
> example,
> >> >> > it
> >> >> > was
> >> >> > unclear why EC decided to start with Vice-chair position and what
> was
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > rationale for such priority. With an implementation plan, such
> action
> >> >> > could
> >> >> > have been discussed and prioritized. I believe that instead of
> trying
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > implement here and there some elements of the new bylaws, it would
> >> >> > make
> >> >> > sense for the EC as a team effort to go through the bylaws,
> identify
> >> >> > what is
> >> >> > requested to be implemented either as a role, committee or
> elaborated
> >> >> > as
> >> >> > operating procedures. That would make a draft implementation plan
> >> >> > when
> >> >> > relevant tasks are identified and discussed with membership to
> >> >> > decided
> >> >> > about priority. All elements of bylaws must be implemented but they
> >> >> > should
> >> >> > be done following a plan and outline the tasks needed to be done.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > so I advise doing that instead of focusing on NCUC PC only. I also
> >> >> > notice
> >> >> > that members raised concerns on the mailing list and I cannot talk
> >> >> > what
> >> >> > was
> >> >> > discussed during the session at Panama meeting as I couldn't attend
> >> >> > it
> >> >> > because of a clash with council session. With a full implementation
> >> >> > plan
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > explanation, I think a proper consultation can be done with
> >> >> > membership
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > that would help a lot for communication.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > with regard to NCUC PC, I think before focusing on composition
> which
> >> >> > articulated enough in bylaws, it is important to work on related
> >> >> > operating
> >> >> > procedures and more the guidelines. Concerns were made about
> syncing
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > coordinating with NCSG PC and that cannot be just tweaked just
> around
> >> >> > representation. While in bylaws we thought that having councilors
> >> >> > presences
> >> >> > plus NCUC rep to NCSG would help, outlining clear guidelines and
> >> >> > rules
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > engagement for coordinating and working with NCSG PC are needed
> >> >> > before
> >> >> > setting the NCUC PC in order to avoid duplication, optimizing the
> >> >> > work
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > having consistent positions. There is some caveat here, NCSG and
> NCUC
> >> >> > elections are just a few weeks away and so composition would change
> >> >> > again.
> >> >> > better to use this precious time by EC to do the groundwork such
> >> >> > guidelines
> >> >> > instead of starting the NCUC PC and not giving it a real chance to
> >> >> > succeed.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Another point, the role of NCUC PC is indicated by the bylaws, I
> >> >> > would
> >> >> > advise against using it for any other purpose. If for example, you
> >> >> > are
> >> >> > thinking about capacity building, you shouldn't use such a vehicle
> >> >> > but
> >> >> > create another ad-hoc one fit for the purpose. I recall some
> >> >> > self-organized
> >> >> > efforts like having drafters group of newcomers and so on. better
> to
> >> >> > nurture
> >> >> > those efforts having all kind of flexibility than trying to use a
> >> >> > bylaws-mandated structure for a specific purpose.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Also please stick with the bylaws, for example, I saw in the draft
> >> >> > call,
> >> >> > that NCUC rep to NCSG PC are co-chairs. Bylaws say Chair and
> >> >> > vice-chair,
> >> >> > so
> >> >> > you get to follow that and not creating new positions while I may
> >> >> > understand
> >> >> > the rationale. having NCSG and PC chair as observers when NCUC
> >> >> > members,
> >> >> > is a
> >> >> > fine proposal.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > hope that helps.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Best,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Rafik
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Le jeu. 5 juil. 2018 à 22:02, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
> >> >> > <raquino at gmail.com>
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > écrit :
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Hi
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Answers inline
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 11:44 AM, farzaneh badii
> >> >> >> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 10:00 AM Renata Aquino Ribeiro
> >> >> >> > <raquino at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Hi Farzaneh
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Thanks for these answers
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> So by "priviledge of birth" GNSO Council are already members
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Previeledge of birth???? Members elect them to the council.
> What
> >> >> >> > birth.
> >> >> >> > By
> >> >> >> > being elected to the council they will be on ncuc policy
> >> >> >> > committee.
> >> >> >> > kindly
> >> >> >> > choose your words carefully Renata especially as the chair it's
> >> >> >> > important.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> [RAR] I would also kindly ask you to reminder not to use your
> primal
> >> >> >> response here, which you would have learned it is a primary anger
> >> >> >> instinct should you have attended NCSG course.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Of course I`m not talking about birth as in ICANN baby GNSO
> >> >> >> Councillors, you misinterpret me.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I`m saying, just like you did, when they are "born" into office,
> >> >> >> inaugurated, anointed - whichever word for this ritual you may
> want
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> use - they become too PC NCUC - automatically, you said.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> As well as PC NCSG are already chair and vice-chair
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Don't understand
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> these also have the automated ritual in place
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> So the call we'll issue will serve to identify the 2 remaining
> >> >> >> >> slots
> >> >> >> >> and observers
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Yes.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> So that is what I was confirming
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> As for the purpose of the PC NCUC being disagreeing w/ PC NCSG
> >> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> >> also seems impossible to me as they are "automatically" linked
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Well you don't know the rationale behind this. Not always all or
> >> >> >> > most
> >> >> >> > councilors belong to one constituency. Policy committee is
> really
> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> > measure
> >> >> >> > to trigger under special circumstances.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> unlikely to happen anytime soon
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> We'll likely have the GNSO Council members as "dorment" in the
> PC
> >> >> >> >> NCUC
> >> >> >> >> as they are already spread thin on the PC NCSG
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > As I said Policy committee is only needed at constituency level
> >> >> >> > under
> >> >> >> > special circumstances. You will probably have a dormant NCUC PC
> >> >> >> > even.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Could be. That doesn`t mean we shouldn`t implement the bylaws as
> >> >> >> they
> >> >> >> were approved by the board. It will be up for next NCUC leadership
> >> >> >> next steps with this PC.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> However, the other purposes of the PC NCUC are legitimate and
> can
> >> >> >> >> help
> >> >> >> >> also create better communication and participation in policy.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I'd discuss with NCUC EC the need for pc at the moment.
> >> >> >> > Communication
> >> >> >> > doesn't have to be through a policy committee. As I did during
> my
> >> >> >> > term,
> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> > periodically informed members. Also you need to be careful in
> not
> >> >> >> > communicating duplicates of NCSG mailing list people don't want
> to
> >> >> >> > receive
> >> >> >> > two identical email. If you want to help find volunteers etc for
> >> >> >> > writing
> >> >> >> > public comments then I think that's good but I do not encourage
> >> >> >> > duplicates.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> We have discussed the PC NCUC during NCUC Members session and we
> >> >> >> will
> >> >> >> be careful not issuing duplicate messages as we have been.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I find the idea itself of not having it as limiting the
> >> >> >> implementation
> >> >> >> of bylaws and much more closer to incurring in liability than
> having
> >> >> >> it and collectively overseeing it, hopefully with your advice,
> >> >> >> Rafik`s
> >> >> >> and whoever wants to chime in.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I`d also believe NCSG Chairs and NCSG PC Chair should be part
> of
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> committee, although as advisors/observers - again, I'm aware
> that
> >> >> >> >> there are already too much tasks on those roles.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> I don't think you should allow ncsg chair and pc automatically
> >> >> >> >> become
> >> >> >> >> observers unless they are ncuc members.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I think no addition of observer is automatic but if there isn`t a
> >> >> >> majority of opposition, it is EC decision.
> >> >> >> EC wants you and Rafik to stay involved and advise us. Sometimes
> EC
> >> >> >> may decide their own path but they will always listen.
> >> >> >> It is important to keep communication between NCUC EC and NCSG
> Chair
> >> >> >> (if you don`t want to talk to, let`s say, NCUC Chair).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Again, this is a new implementation of our bylaws so we`ll
> learn
> >> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> >> as
> >> >> >> >> we go along.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Thanks
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Renata
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 12:21 AM, farzaneh badii
> >> >> >> >> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > Hi
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > In response to Renata, I first want to tell you why the idea
> >> >> >> >> > having a
> >> >> >> >> > policy
> >> >> >> >> > committee is in the bylaws in the first place. My opinion
> from
> >> >> >> >> > my
> >> >> >> >> > experience
> >> >> >> >> > is that constituency's PC react when 1. consensus not
> possible
> >> >> >> >> > at
> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > SG
> >> >> >> >> > level 2. They want to re-emphasize the points of NCSG PC 3.
> >> >> >> >> > They
> >> >> >> >> > want
> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > add
> >> >> >> >> > to their public comments or modify it.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > The Bylaws say NCUC "shall" have a policy committee. Shall
> does
> >> >> >> >> > not
> >> >> >> >> > mean
> >> >> >> >> > must, it means "may". So I interpret that if there is a need
> >> >> >> >> > for a
> >> >> >> >> > policy
> >> >> >> >> > committee at the NCUC level then NCUC will convene a policy
> >> >> >> >> > committee.
> >> >> >> >> > Seems
> >> >> >> >> > like you have established the need.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Now we go to Renata's questions:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> - The members of GNSO Council have seats on this safeguarded
> >> >> >> >> >> by
> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> bylaws. Is it their obligation or do they need to confirm
> they
> >> >> >> >> >> want
> >> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> be a part of this?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > GNSO councilors who are NCUC members are automatically
> assigned
> >> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> >> > seat
> >> >> >> >> > on
> >> >> >> >> > NCUC PC. They are not obligated to but it's their right to be
> >> >> >> >> > assigned a
> >> >> >> >> > seat. So no need for confirmation or acceptance. They already
> >> >> >> >> > have
> >> >> >> >> > SOIs
> >> >> >> >> > for
> >> >> >> >> > GNSO council.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> - EC has to elect Chair and Vice-chair of the PC NCUC, I
> >> >> >> >> >> assume
> >> >> >> >> >> they
> >> >> >> >> >> can be out of the safeguarded seats too right?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > [Paragraph B explicitly says: The Chair and the Vice Chair of
> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > Policy
> >> >> >> >> > Committee shall be appointed by the EC and the Chair shall
> also
> >> >> >> >> > serve
> >> >> >> >> > on
> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > NCSG Policy Committee. ]
> >> >> >> >> > This means that the chair of the policy committee should be
> >> >> >> >> > serving
> >> >> >> >> > on
> >> >> >> >> > NCSG
> >> >> >> >> > PC. So only Farrel or Claudio can be chair. This design is on
> >> >> >> >> > purpose.
> >> >> >> >> > The
> >> >> >> >> > chair of NCUC policy committee has to know what is going in
> >> >> >> >> > NCSG
> >> >> >> >> > Policy
> >> >> >> >> > Committee and see if there are actions required to be taken
> at
> >> >> >> >> > NCUC
> >> >> >> >> > level.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> - Chairs of PC NCSG and NCSG are not referred in the bylaws
> as
> >> >> >> >> >> part
> >> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> PC NCUC however I`d take it they have to be included and
> >> >> >> >> >> consulted
> >> >> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> >> >> approval of the call as GNSO Council members are under their
> >> >> >> >> >> purview?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Well, let me know if I missed anything
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > These two positions are not mentioned because there might
> come
> >> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> >> > time
> >> >> >> >> > that
> >> >> >> >> > these two positions are not filled by NCUC members. Then you
> >> >> >> >> > don't
> >> >> >> >> > want
> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > have non-NCUC members on your PC. But the Bylaws also say
> that
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > G) "Other individuals shall be invited to participate in the
> >> >> >> >> > deliberations
> >> >> >> >> > of the NCUC Policy Committee, including: 1. Members (or their
> >> >> >> >> > Official
> >> >> >> >> > Representatives) who are serving on GNSO Working Groups,
> ICANN
> >> >> >> >> > Advisory
> >> >> >> >> > Committees, presidential committees, and other policy bodies
> >> >> >> >> > (standing
> >> >> >> >> > or ad
> >> >> >> >> > hoc) within ICANN; and
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > So in effect, you shall (which means may, not must) invite
> them
> >> >> >> >> > if
> >> >> >> >> > you
> >> >> >> >> > want.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Farzaneh
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 4:44 PM <
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> >> >> >> >> >> Today's Topics:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> 1. Call for appointments for PC NCUC - please review by
> 10
> >> >> >> >> >> July
> >> >> >> >> >> (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
> >> >> >> >> >> 2. NCUC Members call week of 16 July - Agenda and doodle
> >> >> >> >> >> poll
> >> >> >> >> >> request (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
> >> >> >> >> >> 3. Re: NCUC Members call week of 16 July - Agenda and
> >> >> >> >> >> doodle
> >> >> >> >> >> poll request (Elsa S)
> >> >> >> >> >> 4. Re: Call for appointments for PC NCUC - please review
> by
> >> >> >> >> >> 10
> >> >> >> >> >> July (Elsa S)
> >> >> >> >> >> 5. Re: debriefing notes (Mike)
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> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Message: 1
> >> >> >> >> >> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 15:22:31 -0300
> >> >> >> >> >> From: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> To: "Exec. Comm" <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>, Maryam Bakoshi
> >> >> >> >> >> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: [NCUC-EC] Call for appointments for PC NCUC -
> please
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> >> >> >> >> >> by 10 July
> >> >> >> >> >> Message-ID:
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> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Hi all
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> This is the draft of the call for PC NCUC
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rVg0hPQsS9fNfdnNvNCoiLVZm82inH-b9SUIL0KFTvY/edit?usp=sharing
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Maryam, can you please check it too
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> A few doubts:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> - The members of GNSO Council have seats on this safeguarded
> >> >> >> >> >> by
> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> bylaws. Is it their obligation or do they need to confirm
> they
> >> >> >> >> >> want
> >> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> be a part of this?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> - EC has to elect Chair and Vice-chair of the PC NCUC, I
> >> >> >> >> >> assume
> >> >> >> >> >> they
> >> >> >> >> >> can be out of the safeguarded seats too right?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> - Chairs of PC NCSG and NCSG are not referred in the bylaws
> as
> >> >> >> >> >> part
> >> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> PC NCUC however I`d take it they have to be included and
> >> >> >> >> >> consulted
> >> >> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> >> >> approval of the call as GNSO Council members are under their
> >> >> >> >> >> purview?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Well, let me know if I missed anything
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Message: 2
> >> >> >> >> >> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 15:47:44 -0300
> >> >> >> >> >> From: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> To: "Exec. Comm" <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>, Maryam Bakoshi
> >> >> >> >> >> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: [NCUC-EC] NCUC Members call week of 16 July -
> Agenda
> >> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> >> doodle poll request
> >> >> >> >> >> Message-ID:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> <CAMokdMxKvmbi6kDkF6TXybgO0UgL-30Kiyzevfaxt=
> 2FJ_BoXA at mail.gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Hi
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Let`s have a member`s call on the week of the 16th July to
> try
> >> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> >> inform properly of upcoming news and latest developments
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Provisional agenda:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rCw9naZvd0MstJSyBLtZgzYNveXlB7Roj-OEQAIMDa4/edit?usp=sharing
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Maryam can you please send a poll to NCUC-Discuss to find a
> >> >> >> >> >> time
> >> >> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> >> >> the week of the 16th?
> >> >> >> >> >> Times should be Mon - Thu - 13UTC 17UTC or 20UTC
> >> >> >> >> >> We may do 2 similar if we have enough responses for
> different
> >> >> >> >> >> times
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Message: 3
> >> >> >> >> >> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 16:27:01 -0400
> >> >> >> >> >> From: Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> To: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> Cc: "Exec. Comm" <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>, Maryam Bakoshi
> >> >> >> >> >> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] NCUC Members call week of 16 July -
> >> >> >> >> >> Agenda
> >> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> >> doodle poll request
> >> >> >> >> >> Message-ID:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> <
> CAHFwYbeGYURU6QUao9vM7zt0heoHk3c_hYMThC1hxE0wvJYxDw at mail.gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks Renata, can’t seem to be able to open the google doc!
> >> >> >> >> >> Any
> >> >> >> >> >> chance
> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> link might be broken?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> E.
> >> >> >> >> >> —
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 2:48 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro
> >> >> >> >> >> <raquino at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Let`s have a member`s call on the week of the 16th July to
> >> >> >> >> >> > try
> >> >> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> >> > inform properly of upcoming news and latest developments
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Provisional agenda:
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rCw9naZvd0MstJSyBLtZgzYNveXlB7Roj-OEQAIMDa4/edit?usp=sharing
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Maryam can you please send a poll to NCUC-Discuss to find
> a
> >> >> >> >> >> > time
> >> >> >> >> >> > on
> >> >> >> >> >> > the week of the 16th?
> >> >> >> >> >> > Times should be Mon - Thu - 13UTC 17UTC or 20UTC
> >> >> >> >> >> > We may do 2 similar if we have enough responses for
> >> >> >> >> >> > different
> >> >> >> >> >> > times
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Thanks
> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> >> > NCUC-EC mailing list
> >> >> >> >> >> > NCUC-EC at lists.ncuc.org
> >> >> >> >> >> > https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Elsa Saade
> >> >> >> >> >> Consultant
> >> >> >> >> >> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
> >> >> >> >> >> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
> >> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part --------------
> >> >> >> >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> >> >> >> >> >> URL:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> <
> http://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-ec/attachments/20180703/e5e60b6a/attachment-0001.html
> >
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Message: 4
> >> >> >> >> >> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 16:29:29 -0400
> >> >> >> >> >> From: Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> To: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> Cc: "Exec. Comm" <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>, Maryam Bakoshi
> >> >> >> >> >> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Call for appointments for PC NCUC -
> >> >> >> >> >> please
> >> >> >> >> >> review by 10 July
> >> >> >> >> >> Message-ID:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> <
> CAHFwYbcKrW0gcxF8+kD9wK_5Vdj2WVdEOwKVsh__tJd0DX+wrA at mail.gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Hey Renata,
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Very valid questions as we should be careful with the
> >> >> >> >> >> operating
> >> >> >> >> >> procedures
> >> >> >> >> >> we apply. I’ll be waiting for Maryam’s reply, and maybe some
> >> >> >> >> >> advice
> >> >> >> >> >> from
> >> >> >> >> >> Farzi and Rafik on this one.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Best,
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Elsa
> >> >> >> >> >> —
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 2:23 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro
> >> >> >> >> >> <raquino at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi all
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > This is the draft of the call for PC NCUC
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rVg0hPQsS9fNfdnNvNCoiLVZm82inH-b9SUIL0KFTvY/edit?usp=sharing
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Maryam, can you please check it too
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > A few doubts:
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > - The members of GNSO Council have seats on this
> safeguarded
> >> >> >> >> >> > by
> >> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> >> > bylaws. Is it their obligation or do they need to confirm
> >> >> >> >> >> > they
> >> >> >> >> >> > want
> >> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> >> > be a part of this?
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > - EC has to elect Chair and Vice-chair of the PC NCUC, I
> >> >> >> >> >> > assume
> >> >> >> >> >> > they
> >> >> >> >> >> > can be out of the safeguarded seats too right?
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > - Chairs of PC NCSG and NCSG are not referred in the
> bylaws
> >> >> >> >> >> > as
> >> >> >> >> >> > part
> >> >> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> >> > PC NCUC however I`d take it they have to be included and
> >> >> >> >> >> > consulted
> >> >> >> >> >> > on
> >> >> >> >> >> > approval of the call as GNSO Council members are under
> their
> >> >> >> >> >> > purview?
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Well, let me know if I missed anything
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Thanks
> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> >> > NCUC-EC mailing list
> >> >> >> >> >> > NCUC-EC at lists.ncuc.org
> >> >> >> >> >> > https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Elsa Saade
> >> >> >> >> >> Consultant
> >> >> >> >> >> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
> >> >> >> >> >> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
> >> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part --------------
> >> >> >> >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> >> >> >> >> >> URL:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> <
> http://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-ec/attachments/20180703/e58f1d46/attachment-0001.html
> >
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Message: 5
> >> >> >> >> >> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 18:21:29 +0900
> >> >> >> >> >> From: Mike <mkaranicolas at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> To: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> Cc: Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com>, "Exec. Comm"
> >> >> >> >> >> <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] debriefing notes
> >> >> >> >> >> Message-ID: <1200B345-004C-41EC-99C1-E79674132FD7 at gmail.com
> >
> >> >> >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Hi,
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> I plan on applying for ICANN63, just have to clear a couple
> if
> >> >> >> >> >> things
> >> >> >> >> >> this
> >> >> >> >> >> week first.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Michael
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jul 3, 2018, at 12:39 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
> >> >> >> >> >> > <raquino at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Yes, per travel policy each funded traveler has to write a
> >> >> >> >> >> > report
> >> >> >> >> >> > Since this time you were funded by NCSG that is w them
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > For ICANN63 slots we had no EC candidates
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Should EC wish to apply please get that in order
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Thanks
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Em seg, 2 de jul de 2018 21:13, Elsa S
> >> >> >> >> >> > <elsa.saade at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> > escreveu:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks Renata! I just added a small comment on the report
> >> >> >> >> >> >> point
> >> >> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> add
> >> >> >> >> >> >> an action item! Would be happy to help write a report in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> next
> >> >> >> >> >> >> week or
> >> >> >> >> >> >> two.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Best,
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Elsa
> >> >> >> >> >> >> —
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 1:05 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Thank you, Renata! Should we push the idea of the series
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> of
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> post
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> from
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> EC members about this past meeting ? Each of us could
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> focus
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> on a
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> theme/track.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> cheers,
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> B.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> 2018-07-02 9:58 GMT-03:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> <raquino at gmail.com>:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Hi
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Please find here our debriefing ICANN62 meeting notes
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hj4uIwKTjFuCnYMAL4db7jewVa8-njegLj43iexPUwg/edit?usp=sharing
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Best,
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Renata
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> NCUC-EC mailing list
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> NCUC-EC at lists.ncuc.org
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> --
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Bruna Martins dos Santos
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> @boomartins
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> NCUC-EC mailing list
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> NCUC-EC at lists.ncuc.org
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec
> >> >> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Elsa Saade
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Consultant
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> >> > NCUC-EC mailing list
> >> >> >> >> >> > NCUC-EC at lists.ncuc.org
> >> >> >> >> >> > https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec
> >> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part --------------
> >> >> >> >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> >> >> >> >> >> URL:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> <
> http://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-ec/attachments/20180703/3f5e7090/attachment.html
> >
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Digest Footer
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> >> NCUC-EC mailing list
> >> >> >> >> >> NCUC-EC at lists.ncuc.org
> >> >> >> >> >> https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> End of NCUC-EC Digest, Vol 66, Issue 5
> >> >> >> >> >> **************************************
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> > NCUC-EC mailing list
> >> >> >> >> > NCUC-EC at lists.ncuc.org
> >> >> >> >> > https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > Farzaneh
> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> NCUC-EC mailing list
> >> >> >> NCUC-EC at lists.ncuc.org
> >> >> >> https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> NCUC-EC mailing list
> >> >> NCUC-EC at lists.ncuc.org
> >> >> https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Bruna Martins dos Santos
> >> >
> >> > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
> >> > @boomartins
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> NCUC-EC mailing list
> >> NCUC-EC at lists.ncuc.org
> >> https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec
> >
> > --
> > --
> >
> > Elsa Saade
> > Consultant
> > Gulf Centre for Human Rights
> > Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>
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