[NCUC-EC] FC NCSG meeting notes

Fri Jul 6 16:12:46 CEST 2018

Hey renata,

I think you might have misunderstood me, I am not questioning NCSG FC and
NCSG neither their capability to call meetings. What I said in my previous
emails is that I very much appreciate Thato's proactivity at NCSG FC AND
that we should be fine tuning communications with him and every other NCUC
rep at any level just so everybody is on the same page.

Although you may have interpreted that he now reports to NCSG chair, in my
understanding he still is the NCUC representative at the NCSG FC and (a) we
should have updated him about the PIR funding allocation and (b) he should
also be updating us of the FC developments (just like Anriette did in
Panama regarding NomCom).  - I do not understand what is the problem with
this.

Cheers,
Bruna

2018-07-06 10:58 GMT-03:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>:

> Hi Bruna
>
> The NCSG and the FC NCSG are sovereign in the decision of booking their
> meetings
> They have an open archive list
> https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-fc/
>
> NCUC Chair is only observer, as well as NPOC Chair
>
> If the FC NCSG and NCSG Chair agree, they can add more observers, you
> can ask as NCUC Vice-chair should you wish to be added.
>
> So, basically, Thato now reports to NCSG Chair but keeps communication
> with us.
>
> We can fine tune that communication in periodical meetings should the
> EC wish to.
>
> Best,
>
> Renata
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 11:35 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos
> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hey All,
> >
> > I would like to note that I did not receive any of the previous emails on
> > the subject. I will consult with maryam about this matter.
> >
> > Also, shouldnt Thato have consulted with NCUC EC and Chair before issuing
> > statements with regards the funding issue ? I think It would have been
> > better if we all spoke about the matter before this meeting, to avoid
> > further misunderstandings.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Bruna
> >
> >
> >
> > Em qui, 5 de jul de 2018 22:40, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
> >
> > escreveu:
> >>
> >> Thanks Thato
> >>
> >> Replies in line
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:02 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi NCUC EC members,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Renata for initiating a communication link with the NCUC
> >>> executive. Renata is correct, today we had our first online meeting
> since I
> >>> was assigned to represent NCUC on the NCSG FC around March 2018. This
> email
> >>> serves as an introduction and a report to our most recent meeting.
> >>>
> >>> 1. Background on the NCSG FC (FYI)
> >>> Since engaged on the NCSG FC, I have been engaging Sam LanFranco who
> was
> >>> then NPOC FC rep, who resigned from the FC in April 2018 if I am not
> >>> mistaken. According to Sam, NPOC has never received any support
> financially
> >>> from NCSG and they strongly felt that there has been limited
> transparency
> >>> from NCUC in the past 2 years about NCSG dealings.
> >>
> >>
> >> Let me clarify again:
> >> NCSG didn't have any money to support NPOC. Other than the in kind
> support
> >> of ICANN which Tapani was in charge of distributing and then I took
> over and
> >> issued calls for ABRs. One was the capacity building in Panama icann 62
> and
> >> it has received travel slots according to ABR which it should announce
> >> very soon.
> >>
> >> NCUC didn't have any commitment to NPOC nor NCSG the past two years.
> >> As was cleared by the funders email as well.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> During ICANN62 I also spoke to Joan, the Chair of NPOC and she stated
> the
> >>> same concerns as Sam, which were also raised in one of the sessions
> NPOC had
> >>> and Renata was part of that meeting. Joan also took opportunity to
> introduce
> >>> me to Remmy Nweke who was now representing NPOC on the NCSG FC,
> replacing
> >>> Sam.
> >>
> >>
> >> I have explained this many times. I don't think the concerns are valid
> nor
> >> legitimate. We have clarified the situation, funders have clarified the
> >> situation.
> >> NPOC is ok with the arrangement going forward.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2. To provide just my summary of yesterday's meeting .
> >>> 2.1 The meeting was co-chaired by the NCSG Chair and the new NCSG FC
> >>> Chair after his election, and first on the agenda was election of the
> Chair
> >>> and a final agreement was reached after I volunteered to Chairing the
> NCSG
> >>> FC and act in the capacity of Treasure to the NCSG EC.
> >>
> >>
> >> Treasurer of
> >> NCSG
> >> .
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2.2 The second item on the agenda was development operational
> procedures
> >>> for the FC and Remmy Nweke who is the NPOC NCSG FC representative
> >>> volunteered to initiate the process of developing these operational
> >>> procedures. Farzaneh also mentioned that funds of NCSG will be in the
> >>> custody on NCUC until 2019, that is when the NCSG FC can start
> overseeing
> >>> the SG funds.
> >>
> >>
> >> No, it's not in the custody of NCUC. It is NCUC funds which ncuc ec has
> >> decided to open for all ncsg members and constituencies
> >> until when NCSG can decide on operating procedures and have the right
> >> means to provide oversight for the funds.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2.3 The third agenda item was a proposal for the FC to start having
> >>> sessions during ICANN meetings in order to keep NCSG and constituencies
> >>> abreast on budgetary developments, updates and also to take stock of
> needs
> >>> and ideas on how the FC can help in furthering their interests and
> >>> supporting their activities.
> >>>
> >>> 2.4 The last topic that was discussed was establishment of a bank
> account
> >>> for NCSG which would necessitate incorporation of NCSG, now requiring
> >>> establishment of management and governance structures with NCSG. This
> is
> >>> where there are different views which recommende the following in
> essence:
> >>>
> >>> Options for NCSG financial access and management (to be deliberated
> upon
> >>> further by the FC)
> >>> Option 1: NCUC continues to receive NCSG money in its bank account
> >>> because current funders would prefer an account that they have used
> before
> >>> and they can trust. In this case NCUC EC will disburse funds according
> to
> >>> their own operational procedures but the NCSG FC will provide
> oversight over
> >>> its finances in the NCUC bank account.
> >>
> >>
> >> option one is for 2019
> >> . In 2019, it is better for NCSG FC to disburse the funds with its
> >> operating procedures and provide oversight.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Option 2:  NCUC in the interim to continue receiving funds on behalf of
> >>> NCSG, while the FC explores the pros and cons of incorporating NCSG in
> order
> >>> for NCSG to have its own bank account even though this process can
> take upto
> >>> 2 years to complete depending on how the process it fast tracked and
> how
> >>> funders interests are protected. This process will also need legal
> >>> intervention.
> >>
> >>
> >> Joan and I provided the reasons why it's better to go with option 1. I
> am
> >> sure others have tried to think about incorporation etc at ncuc and
> ncsg and
> >> can
> >> provide their reasons.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Please kindly provide your comments, especially around the 2 options on
> >>> NCSG financial oversight/opening an independent bank account NCSG
> (2.4),
> >>> thanks looking forward.
> >>>
> >>> Thato Mfikwe.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 8:56 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <
> raquino at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear EC
> >>>>
> >>>> I`ve recently attended - as observer - the meeting of FC NCSG which
> >>>> happened today.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are notes here
> >>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-fc/2018-July/000165.html
> >>>>
> >>>> Thato Mfikwe,our rep, voluntereed to Chair this committee and this was
> >>>> agreed with the other members. Congratulations and thank you, Thato.
> >>>>
> >>>> Basically the FC is studying next steps for financial planning of NCSG
> >>>> in 2019 and we are here to provide them with documents and help on
> >>>> whatever is needed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Let me know if there`s anything else you want to know.
> >>>>
> >>>> I`d kindly ask Thato to update NCUC on the progress of his work when
> >>>> he thinks it is important.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>>
> >>>> Renata
> >>>
> >>>
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