[NCUC-EC] Travel funding allocation - ICANN63

Fri Aug 31 22:18:25 CEST 2018

Hi all,

This is indeed a tough call.
As said in my previous email, I think that there is a fine line in deciding
whether it is the case of balancing the support between more experienced
members and newcomers. I have been able to follow Dina’s development
throughout this past year and have attested to her engagement within our
stakeholder group. As my initial argument was that I was undecided between
Ben or Dina, and knowing that Ben would be ineligible for this slot, my
vote goes to Dina.

Kind regards,

Louise Marie Hurel

Cybersecurity Project Coordinator | Igarapé Institute

London School of Economics (LSE) Media and Communications (Data and Society)
Skype: louise.dias
+44 (0) 7468 906327
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louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com

On Fri, 31 Aug 2018 at 19:19, Bruna Martins dos Santos <
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Thank you very much for your votes, I will just wait for Louise to cast
> her vote and consider this tally closed.
>
> As of now we have the following scenario:
>
> Shahul Hameed - 5 votes
> Dina Thomas - 1 vote
> Paulo Tavares - 1 vote
> Wisdom Donkor - 1 vote
>
> best,
> B.
>
> Em sex, 31 de ago de 2018 às 13:40, hfaiedh ines <hfaiedh.ines2 at gmail.com>
> escreveu:
>
>> Thank you very much Bruna for setting this deadline.
>> I would like to echo my colleagues' comments on the strong and promising
>> applications we received.
>> It was a hard decision in that we try to balance between selecting
>> experienced members and sometimes giving a chance to newcomers. I have
>> continously noticed that we have some experienced members but who still
>> need support to step up to the plate and take part in policy discussions.
>> In that frame of mind, I would like to give my vote to Wisdom as I
>> believe he would be of added value if mentored and supported by some of our
>> Policy Committee colleagues, Wisdom has been developing a lot of local
>> projects for his region and contributed in bringing new voices and ideas to
>> international platformss but is still in need of a mentor-mentee experience
>> which will be exclusively focussed on a policy issue and drafting a policy
>> comment.
>> The decision was and is always tough and I thank you all for sharing your
>> thoughts and I thank you Bruna for giving us a clear deadline.
>> The applicants we had have wonderful potentials and I am confident that
>> they will all go far and whoever is selected, we will be available to
>> assist them prior, during and after the meetng
>>
>>
>> Le vendredi 31 août 2018, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> a écrit :
>> > Hi Bruna et al,
>> > This has been a hard decision to make, however though I see why michael
>> has chosen Dina, I will cast my vote to a member who is new to the space
>> but who seems extremely willing to engage based on their application. Dina
>> has been able to collect a lot of support from her peers and I’m sure her
>> ICANN journey is only going to grow from here with or without our support -
>> I wish her all the luck and I’m sure we’ll all be here to support her as
>> much as we can.
>> > In terms of Ben, I think there was a conclusion drawn that we cannot
>> choose him for this travel allocation based on a bylaw stating elligible
>> NCUC members are ones who: Did not receive NCUC funding to attend the
>> immediately previous ICANN meeting, unless exceptional circumstances
>> require their presence at two consecutive meetings.
>> > Unfortunately though Ben was unable to be with us at ICANN62, he did
>> receive funding to attend in the shape of a reimbursement to the expenses
>> he had paid to attend. Thus, we wouldn’t be in line with the bylaws if we
>> were to choose Ben, which really is sad, but I’d encourage him to work with
>> us on a crop proposal for next time.
>> > As for this travel allocation, I’ll personally be supporting someone
>> new who apparently already got in touch with Stephanie, for a certain
>> project which would definitely get around many potential policy developers
>> into our space. I think this could very much be of added value given how
>> much our current volunteers are overworked.
>> > Id like to cast my vote to Paulo Tavares.
>> > Best regards,
>> > Elsa
>> > —
>> > On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 2:12 PM Michael Karanicolas <
>> mkaranicolas at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks very much for sending this along, Bruna.
>> >>
>> >> I wholeheartedly support this initiative. None of the second
>> >> candidates received an outright majority, and since the previous
>> >> process was never formally closed, it is appropriate to give the EC a
>> >> notification of the cutoff to vote, and to keep the process open until
>> >> that cutoff. I would encourage my fellow ECs to vote freely and as
>> >> they see fit, based on their own personal reading of the different
>> >> candidates' strengths and weaknesses.
>> >>
>> >> I will maintain my previous votes, for Shahul and for Dina, for the
>> >> reasons I mentioned previously. Dina had a strong application, I
>> >> thought, and has been involved in a relatively diverse cross section
>> >> of ICANN processes. I think it's good that she has a technical
>> >> background - which I think we need more of. She also has the support
>> >> of NPOC, which, although not determinative, is another factor
>> >> supporting her selection.
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Michael
>> >> On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 2:41 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Dear all,
>> >> >
>> >> > I will be closing this tally tomorrow, 17h00 UTC, so please cast
>> your votes as soon as possible.
>> >> >
>> >> > best,
>> >> > bruna
>> >> >
>> >> > Em qui, 30 de ago de 2018 às 10:24, Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> escreveu:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dear all,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We need to re-cast the votes, so far the situation is the following:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Shahul Hameed - 5 votes (whole EC voted)
>> >> >> Dina Thomas Covenant - 1 vote
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The ones of us who have not yet casted a vote need to do so, and I
>> would like to inform you that I will abstain from voting unless there's a
>> tie - considering that in Renata's absence I'm chairing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Best,
>> >> >> Bruna
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Em qui, 30 de ago de 2018 às 10:01, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com>
>> escreveu:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I think it would only be fair that Dina get the second slot since
>> she got one vote vs no votes to Ben by the deadline. We cannot make a
>> different decision now. Else this could create more confusion. However, we
>> can surely prep our members as of soonest, to develop their CROP proposals
>> for the next meeting.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> And for any future travel funding allocation, we really need to
>> make sure that there is no confusion as to the weighing of NPOC’s
>> recommendations before any decision can be made. Else this kind of incident
>> will keep on occuring.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Thanks Bruna for taking the initiative!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> E.
>> >> >>> —
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 8:58 AM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Dear all,
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Before sending the statement to the lists, it would be better for
>> us to deliberate who gets the second slot. From this thread Shahul got the
>> first slot with 5 votes and Dina had one vote.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> So I would kindly ask you to deliberate on this matter soon, so I
>> can retract the previous information and send the new announcement. Also we
>> need to deliberate if we are using the CROP for this meeting.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Best,
>> >> >>>> B.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Em qui, 30 de ago de 2018 às 06:07, hfaiedh ines <
>> hfaiedh.ines2 at gmail.com> escreveu:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Thank you Bruna for drafting this. Good to be sent to the
>> applicants for me too.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Le jeudi 30 août 2018, Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> a écrit :
>> >> >>>>> > I agree it needs to be sent out soon, as well as a statement
>> to both NCUC, NCSG and NPOC lists. I have started a draft here:
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZCANHHPeLlO_ho18eymDql64_HzXNiAgYcM2eAAhtDs/edit
>> >> >>>>> > If the rest of the EC agrees on this I will proceed to notify
>> both Dina/Thomas and Benjamin tomorrow.
>> >> >>>>> > Best,
>> >> >>>>> > Bruna
>> >> >>>>> > Em qua, 29 de ago de 2018 às 22:26, Michael Karanicolas <
>> mkaranicolas at gmail.com> escreveu:
>> >> >>>>> >>
>> >> >>>>> >> I'm fine with that. Thanks for taking the initiative. I would
>> suggest sending it out first thing tomorrow, barring any further feedback,
>> given the urgency of the matter.
>> >> >>>>> >>
>> >> >>>>> >> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:16 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>> >>>
>> >> >>>>> >>> Hey all,
>> >> >>>>> >>> I changed the draft-email a little bit, lmk what you think!
>> >> >>>>> >>> "Hello Thomas and Ben,
>> >> >>>>> >>> According to the recent email regarding the travel funding
>> allocation, we would ask you guys to hold off for a day in taking any
>> financial commitments towards this next meeting.
>> >> >>>>> >>> This was a tough call for the NCUC EC to decide given the
>> quality of the applicants. And as we were concluding the deliberation there
>> was a confusion about the final voting tallies  - reason why there was an
>> interpretation that we were allocating the funding to Ben and the CROP to
>> Thomas. But given that it would be super unfair with the rest of our
>> members to  announce a CROP allocation without an open call previously
>> announced, we might have to review the decision of the allocation.
>> >> >>>>> >>> On behalf of the NCUC EC I apologize for the confusion and
>> promise that this problem will be sorted out soon.
>> >> >>>>> >>> best,"
>> >> >>>>> >>> Em qua, 29 de ago de 2018 20:51, Michael Karanicolas <
>> mkaranicolas at gmail.com> escreveu:
>> >> >>>>> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> >>>> I think that the funding allocation announcement was
>> drafted against our bylaws, and needs to be replaced with a proper process.
>> >> >>>>> >>>> I suggest we give the EC until COB tomorrow to vote for
>> their preferred second candidate, at which point silence will be deemed an
>> abstention. On Friday am, we can announce the candidate based on the vote
>> tallies at that point. We can then go out with a revised announcement. In
>> the meantime, I would suggest that we send out a "holding" email to Dina
>> and Ben, explaining the situation.
>> >> >>>>> >>>> I'm fine with the statement you made on the other list,
>> though I'd potentially substitute the part calling it a tie, to revise as
>> follows:
>> >> >>>>> >>>> Hello Thomas and Ben,
>> >> >>>>> >>>> According to the recent email regarding the travel funding
>> allocation, we would ask you both to hold off for a day in taking any
>> financial commitments towards this next meeting.
>> >> >>>>> >>>> This was a tough call for the NCUC EC to decide given the
>> quality of the applicants and as we were concluding the deliberation there
>> was a confusion about the final voting tallies and the deliberation being
>> supposedly concluded when it wasnt.  Also, based on the fact that we must
>> announce a call before a CROP allocation, we might have to review the
>> decision of the allocation. Due to these mistakes, we will have to retract
>> the funding allocation announcement and you will be notified soon.
>> >> >>>>> >>>> On behalf of the NCUC EC I apologize for the confusion and
>> promise that we will do whatever possible to sort it out.
>> >> >>>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 6:27 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> Dear all,
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> We should deliberate on whether or not we are retracting
>> the funding allocation announcement. Also, we must draft a statement to
>> membership explaining the matter.
>> >> >>>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> Lmk what do you think about this.
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> best,
>> >> >>>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> --
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> @boomartins
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >>>>> > --
>> >> >>>>> > Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >> >>>>> > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> >> >>>>> > @boomartins
>> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> --
>> >> >>>> Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> >> >>>> @boomartins
>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
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>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Elsa Saade
>> >> >>> Consultant
>> >> >>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>> >> >>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> >> >> @boomartins
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >> >
>> >> > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> >> > @boomartins
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>> >
>> > Elsa Saade
>> > Consultant
>> > Gulf Centre for Human Rights
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