[NCUC-EC] [deadline 6th April - Please vote] NCUC response on fellowship questionnaire

Fri Apr 6 14:20:58 CEST 2018

Hi all,

I appreciate the great amount of work that Claudio and many other members
have put into drafting this comment. It is fundamental for members to feel
encouraged engage in this effort, especially given that the fellowship
program has played such a cross-cutting role in bringing qualified people
to ICANN.
However, having read the document, I would concur that it is not ripe
enough to be submitted. There are contradictions and clarifications that
require attention and are still under review. Not sure if Claudio did add
some of the inputs from this document into Farzi's - but would encourage
this course of action as it could deliver some of the work that was put
into the current document. I also think that we should stress that inputs
be submitted in advance.

Cheers,

Louise Marie Hurel

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2018-04-05 18:02 GMT-03:00 hfaiedh ines <hfaiedh.ines2 at gmail.com>:

> Just finished my comments and edits and added some ICANN Fellowship Survey
> numbers. Good to go now from my side.
>
> Good night all.
>
> 2018-04-05 19:46 GMT+00:00 hfaiedh ines <hfaiedh.ines2 at gmail.com>:
>
>> Thank you Bruna :) Am finally home so will start in a few.
>>
>>
>> Le jeudi 5 avril 2018, Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
>> a écrit :
>>
>>> Ines, I will make sure to take a look tonight too! (:
>>>
>>> 2018-04-05 14:06 GMT-03:00 hfaiedh ines <hfaiedh.ines2 at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Thanks all. Please feel free to edit as well so that we are able to
>>>> finalize it by tonight.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le jeudi 5 avril 2018, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com> a
>>>> écrit :
>>>> > Hello
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks all once more.
>>>> > Indeed the deadline is Apr 6 and it is up to the EC to decide on
>>>> > submitting it or not.
>>>> > If it can be done by tomorrow then we'll share that with members.
>>>> >
>>>> > As mentioned, this is already an extension of the original comment
>>>> > period so unless ICANN organization gives NCUC an extension, it won't
>>>> > be considered after the deadline.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> Hi Renata,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The document indeed isn't presentable as is. However, I think it
>>>> would be
>>>> >> worthwhile if Ines would work on the document, as she suggested, in
>>>> order to
>>>> >> fine tune it as much as possible.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'd vote that we check the updates on the document tomorrow earliest
>>>> or
>>>> >> tonight and swiftly evaluate amongst each other if the document
>>>> would be
>>>> >> good enough to circulate amongst the members list and submit later
>>>> on April
>>>> >> 6th. If we find that the document still needs work, then I guess we
>>>> could
>>>> >> revert to the NCSG document which seems to be somehow finalized.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Best,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Elsa
>>>> >> --
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 11:51 AM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <
>>>> raquino at gmail.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Hello
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Thank you all for your comments
>>>> >>> As we have 3 votes already this is where it seems that this matter
>>>> is:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Deadline for NCUC submission is 6 April - since doc is deemed not
>>>> >>> ready (by majority of EC isn't) - won't be submitted
>>>> >>> If an extension to NCUC is granted, the submission can be
>>>> re-evaluated
>>>> >>> Contributions made to NCUC comment are being tentatively
>>>> incorporated
>>>> >>> to NCSG comment, which will be submitted
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I will share this decision of the EC with members tomorrow unless I
>>>> >>> receive any other data which could possibly change this process.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Best,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Renata
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Michael Karanicolas
>>>> >>> <mkaranicolas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>> > Hi,
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > I generally concur - though it looks now as if Claudio has
>>>> migrated over
>>>> >>> > to
>>>> >>> > Farzi's draft, so I'm not sure where that leaves us in terms of
>>>> the
>>>> >>> > drafting... Nonetheless, I think it would be good to have an NCUC
>>>> >>> > submission
>>>> >>> > as well, and would warmly encourage Ines, and anyone else, to keep
>>>> >>> > working
>>>> >>> > on this so we can have something to put in.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > As to the complaints about process - I think it's a legitimate
>>>> point
>>>> >>> > about
>>>> >>> > leaving things too close to the deadline - and that going forward
>>>> we
>>>> >>> > should
>>>> >>> > aim to get a coherent draft finalized at least 48 hours prior to
>>>> the
>>>> >>> > deadline for commentary on the lists. However, it's also worth
>>>> noting
>>>> >>> > that
>>>> >>> > the NCSG draft was shared later than the NCUC version - so if
>>>> people are
>>>> >>> > ok
>>>> >>> > with the process around that, I think it nullifies the procedural
>>>> >>> > objections
>>>> >>> > to our submitting an NCUC comment as well.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > Best,
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > Michael
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos
>>>> >>> > <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> I follow Ines's suggestion, we should at least try to improve the
>>>> >>> >> proposed
>>>> >>> >> comments as of this evening - the document is not ideal -  and
>>>> >>> >> circulating
>>>> >>> >> it tomorrow morning on the broader NCUC list before submitting
>>>> it.
>>>> >>> >> Despite
>>>> >>> >> the fact that the NCSG's comment is indeed really good, I think
>>>> the
>>>> >>> >> program
>>>> >>> >> could benefit from having one more input.
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> Best,
>>>> >>> >> B
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> 2018-04-05 11:47 GMT-03:00 hfaiedh ines <hfaiedh.ines2 at gmail.com
>>>> >:
>>>> >>> >>>
>>>> >>> >>> I highly recommend and endorse sending the comment before the
>>>> deadline
>>>> >>> >>> but NOT the way it looks now. It needs some refinement.
>>>> >>> >>> I will work on it tonight as I am still teaching. I believe it
>>>> s very
>>>> >>> >>> important we share our community opinion on the fellowship
>>>> program.
>>>> >>> >>>
>>>> >>> >>>
>>>> >>> >>> Le jeudi 5 avril 2018, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>>>> a
>>>> >>> >>> écrit
>>>> >>> >>> :
>>>> >>> >>> > Dear EC
>>>> >>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >>> > We have a very important input to be given by NCUC on the
>>>> ICANN
>>>> >>> >>> > Fellowship
>>>> >>> >>> > Program
>>>> >>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >>> > Claudio Lucena has been building up this document with members
>>>> >>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >>> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dzd70OBSr1dqE5-_FUFtt1M1
>>>> 3CXpDlAkaycUWEIEZW4/edit
>>>> >>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >>> > More information about this consultation, including extensive
>>>> >>> >>> > material
>>>> >>> >>> > on
>>>> >>> >>> > the program is to be found here
>>>> >>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >>> > https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/fellowship-
>>>> >>> >>> > community-process-review-2018-03-20-en
>>>> >>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >>> > The initial deadline for this was 30th March
>>>> >>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >>> > We have got a few days extension and we need to submit it by
>>>> >>> >>> > tomorrow.
>>>> >>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >>> > It will still be proofread before submission but I think we
>>>> have
>>>> >>> >>> > enough contributions, building up to 13 pages
>>>> >>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >>> > As you have seen on the list, Ayden wants the document back to
>>>> >>> >>> > NCUC-Discuss but I find unlikely we get a few more days
>>>> extension to
>>>> >>> >>> > do that.
>>>> >>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >>> > So please vote on sending this response or not
>>>> >>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >>> > If not, we will just not participate on this consultation by
>>>> ICANN
>>>> >>> >>> > organization
>>>> >>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >>> > Thanks
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>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> --
>>>> >>> >> Bruna Martins dos Santos
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> +55 61 99252-6512
>>>> >>> >> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>>>> >>> >> @boomartins
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>>>> >>
>>>> >> Elsa Saade
>>>> >> Consultant
>>>> >> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
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