[NCUC-EC] Fwd: Funding civil society day before IGF

[Bruna Martins dos Santos]

Hi, Farzi!

Thank you for your answer. With regards to the meeting, is there any help
left needed?

best,
Bruna

2017-11-27 11:32 GMT-02:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>:

> Hi Farzaneh
>
> I'm sorry to hear that window has closed.
> Good that NCUC will have 15 minutes on the programme.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 10:18 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Thank you, everyone, for chipping in and sorry I am responding to this
>> thread, it seems like there are a lot of questions and I thought I do not
>> burden Renata.
>>
>> First of all, I will source funding from somewhere else and there is no
>> need to fund this event through NCUC. I have already sourced funding from
>> ICANN. Thank you for your consideration.
>>
>> Now if you would like, you can read on.
>>
>> We had funded this event in Mexico, where I had disclosed all the cost
>> estimates and the expenses and reported back on every step and reported to
>> the chair and EC at the time. It is not an unusual request to ask for
>> expenses just that I do not really have any cost estimate at the moment
>> other than what I initially said: we need to raise money for catering (2200
>> CHF) and the rest would go to funding partially some travellers who
>> register and request funding (we don't know who yet they will be selected
>> by the programme committee like last year and they are members of the
>> networks so they could be NCUC members and members of other civil soc
>> networks). EFF is going to fund we don't know the amount yet, ICANN is
>> giving us 1500 USD (it is not advisable for ICANN to fund the civil society
>> day more than this, it comes across as if they want to dominate which is
>> not good). So two simple functions:
>> - partial funding for travelers (selected by the programme committee) +
>> - catering.
>>
>> As for the venue, Diplo will host the event.
>>
>> I could not tell how many participants we were going to support because
>> we wanted to do this based on the pot of money we gathered and the
>> requested amount by the travelers, which we do not have yet but I would
>> have surely reported back.
>>
>> As to my plans for promoting NCUC, I am very glad to hear that you
>> request such plans, it is very important. I had plans to first have an
>> opening of 30 minutes with an NCUC rep and Jovan from Diplo, to open the
>> meeting which is a great way of promoting NCUC (Diplo is providing the
>> venue i.e. hosting it so we would have been co-sponsors opening the
>> meeting) . As you can see from the agenda we will also have 15-minute pitch
>> to talk about NCUC. I was also planning to present the work of NCUC on
>> content regulation on the first segment of the first session which is about
>> private ordering.
>>
>> Now, I will try and carry out all the abovementioned, but probably it
>> will be less (for example no co-introduction since we are not sponsoring
>> and no pitch on NCUC).
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks again and apologies again for posting on this thread. I wanted
>> this to be recorded and open for everyone to read and not to burden Renata.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> For outreach future, we will soon get to review the Outreach form
>>> according to our Operating Procedures
>>>
>>> About meeting on anything related to IGF, sorry we don't have any more
>>> time.
>>>
>>> For all CS day queries, contact Farzaneh
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Renata,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the reply. For future events I think it would be better to
>>>> have a budget breakdown requirement? What do you think? I would also very
>>>> much appreciate it if you could kindly give me some feedback regarding some
>>>> points mentioned in the email like the NCUC budget and a potential EC
>>>> meeting to discuss the event in detail and the possibility of having a
>>>> separate NCUC event?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for your efforts!
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Elsa
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <
>>>> raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks all ECs for these replies.
>>>>> Unfortunately we do not have a budget breakdown/expense report. It is
>>>>> uncertain how many organizations will contribute and how much and how far
>>>>> the event will go. We also do not have more time.
>>>>> Organizations willing to participate on CS day have already formed a
>>>>> committee, offered to integrate volunteeers and discussed programme.
>>>>> We are less than 15 biz days to go to this event and with a lot to do
>>>>> towards IGF.
>>>>>
>>>>> So from all the views expressed,  we can allocate 800 USD for this
>>>>> event and everyone who wants to tailor NCUC's message is welcome to work
>>>>> with Farzaneh on this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Renata
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not have a stable connection on weekends as I'm not in Beirut,
>>>>>> so it's hard to be on email; thus my reply now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reading through the thread, I do acknowledge the importance of
>>>>>> chipping in, and as far as I can judge, given the info we have, 1000
>>>>>> dollars might be a suitable amount. However, to have a solid judgement, it
>>>>>> would be great to have a budget breakdown if it's already available for the
>>>>>> full budget of the event and who of the partners is funding how much
>>>>>> exactly. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming that normally this
>>>>>> would be done earlier before funding requests get sent out?) When we have
>>>>>> the budget breakdown it would be much easier to asses, if not, we would
>>>>>> have to make a judgement based on only the info we know in the thread,
>>>>>> which, for me, is not the full picture I'm afraid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On a more general note, does NCUC have a tracing of the money spent
>>>>>> throughout the year and how much budget we still have, and for how long?
>>>>>> I'm asking because It would be hasty to give feedback without having had a
>>>>>> general idea of where we stand at the moment in terms of our budget as
>>>>>> NCUC. If anyone has more info on this or where I could find this
>>>>>> information, sharing would be very much appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the sake of avoiding misunderstandings, I'd also suggest we focus
>>>>>> on the budgeting first and then deliberate on the details of how the event
>>>>>> should unfold and who should represent NCUC during that event and how to
>>>>>> maximize impact. I would suggest we have a call if you like, after we make
>>>>>> a decision on the budget allocation amount (as I could see there is a
>>>>>> consensus on actually funding. The only deliberation is how much we will be
>>>>>> funding).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally, I would like to endorse Bruna's suggestion of coming up with
>>>>>> a plan for a proper outreach event during IGF and the CS Meeting. I'd be
>>>>>> more than happy to help if this goes through.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Elsa
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 6:40 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <
>>>>>> raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ines, you will not hear from the requester on the list. If the
>>>>>>> funding requester is on the list, they do not participate on the
>>>>>>> deliberation process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> About alignment with NCUC's mission and outreach activities, this
>>>>>>> even has a program committee and had a period of open comment to the
>>>>>>> programe, posted also in NCUC Discuss, during which there were suggestions
>>>>>>> included by NCUC members like Farzaneh or Jeremy on themes that are aligned
>>>>>>> with NCUC's policy. The whole event will be an outreach space, we hope to
>>>>>>> bring printed material and whoever from NCUC will be there is encouraged to
>>>>>>> join the debates.
>>>>>>> There is also an unconference session - policy slam - that you are
>>>>>>> welcome to suggest themes onsite.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Renata
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>>>>>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Two points, if I may:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. With regards to the amount of money, given that we are not
>>>>>>>> funding any member in particular for the event, I would be leaning towards
>>>>>>>> supporting Michael's suggestion: 800 USD is a more reasonable contribution,
>>>>>>>> especially considering that the meeting is looking for other funders and
>>>>>>>> that the NCUC budget can be quite limited comparing to them.
>>>>>>>> 2. Apart from the opening talk, is there space for us to come up
>>>>>>>> with a plan for a proper outreach during IGF and the Civil Society
>>>>>>>> Meeting? Despite the limited amount of time for proper outreach, I see this
>>>>>>>> as a good opportunity and personally think we should not dismiss it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>>> bruna
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2017-11-26 13:42 GMT-02:00 hfaiedh ines <hfaiedh.ines2 at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your response. Renata I did not quote our procedures
>>>>>>>>> otherwise i would have used inverted commas. This is not the issue anyway.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The requester has to make this an NCUC outreach event for us to
>>>>>>>>> approve it -not the reviewers. We never edited requesters' proposals in
>>>>>>>>> order to approve them and count them as NCUC event.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As usual, we just need to see how is this related to NCUC . Once
>>>>>>>>> it is approved, we can help with it if we are asked to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We are looking forward to hearing from Farzaneh at her earliest
>>>>>>>>> convenience.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 26, 2017 15:46, "Renata Aquino Ribeiro" <raquino at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Ines
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> While I appreciate the care with NCUC funds, our archives are open
>>>>>>>>> but we do not have the requester participate on our deliberation process.
>>>>>>>>> So your request for information goes through a process. You ask
>>>>>>>>> Chair, as others did, and I come to you with the replies I have, and also
>>>>>>>>> reach out to requester, the amount of information you request and what you
>>>>>>>>> get will vary considering how soon the event is and what is available.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You could also read our Operating Procedures on the matter which
>>>>>>>>> states clearly: "The request should include [a log in the NCUC Outreach
>>>>>>>>> form - which is being rebuilt], a brief summary of the proposed content,
>>>>>>>>> and the estimated and requested budget (if applicable)."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.ncuc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/NCUC-Operati
>>>>>>>>> ng-Procedures-Sept-2017.pdf
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So this line
>>>>>>>>> "The expense sheet is mandatory by those asking NCUC to fund
>>>>>>>>> activities/participation and for us to approve or not a request."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is _not_ in our Operating Procedures.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My suggestion, to be very clear: if you have concerns how is NCUC
>>>>>>>>> being "labeled" or what "speech" will the event have: go ahead and do it.
>>>>>>>>> Write NCUC briefing materials, come up with a suggestion for the
>>>>>>>>> opening text.
>>>>>>>>> You are part of NCUC at IGF, look forward to see your contribution.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Renata
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:19 AM, hfaiedh ines <
>>>>>>>>> hfaiedh.ines2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Renata for the email. Still waiting for Farzaneh s
>>>>>>>>>> answers to whom I directed my questions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My comments in-line:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Civil society is made of volunteer work so when suggesting to add
>>>>>>>>>> further work (like an expense sheet:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The expense sheet is mandatory by those asking NCUC to fund
>>>>>>>>>> activities/participation and for us to approve or not a request. We had a
>>>>>>>>>>  detailed expense sheet from Thato for our Outreach event in
>>>>>>>>>> Johannesburg so that we had a better idea of how much is going where and we
>>>>>>>>>> even ask NCUC members to give us details of expenses for partial travel
>>>>>>>>>> funding requests. So this isn't new to us.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> or a call for other volunteers to do work etc.) and not
>>>>>>>>>> presenting yourself with collaborative work only adds issues, does not
>>>>>>>>>> solve problems.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not sure what you are suggesting here. This is to be done by
>>>>>>>>>> those asking for NCUC funds not by the ECs reviewing requests.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This event is being organized by a committee, who has offered
>>>>>>>>>> this space to NCUC.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is labelled as NCSG not NCUC. And NCSG also includes NPOC
>>>>>>>>>> that is the reason behind my question if they are financially contributing
>>>>>>>>>> or not. Their interest in participating in the event or not is none of my
>>>>>>>>>> business.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Being part of the representation of NCUC also means being
>>>>>>>>>> supportive of the group including our colleagues. We have an opening to
>>>>>>>>>> deliver in an event we are supporting.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We are still deliberating on financially supporting the event or
>>>>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>>>>> Having an opening speech by any one of NCUC leadership doesnt
>>>>>>>>>> make it an outreach event and there is definetely no privelege in this
>>>>>>>>>> appearance, this EC team has enough regional and global appearances to take
>>>>>>>>>> it this way. However, there should be a concrete input to consider this as
>>>>>>>>>> outreach in order to allocate or not NCUC funds.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Michael Karanicolas <
>>>>>>>>>> michael at law-democracy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks very much for your thoughts. As I understand it, the NCUC
>>>>>>>>>>> contribution would go towards catering for the event.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> USD 800 sounds like a good amount to me - especially as it's a
>>>>>>>>>>> partial
>>>>>>>>>>> contribution and, looking at the list of co-sponsors, they all
>>>>>>>>>>> seem to
>>>>>>>>>>> have way more disposable cash than we do. I remain a bit
>>>>>>>>>>> skeptical as
>>>>>>>>>>> to the value of sponsoring in terms of boosting NCUC outreach
>>>>>>>>>>> beyond
>>>>>>>>>>> regular participation would, but given that we've had a limited
>>>>>>>>>>> number
>>>>>>>>>>> of requests thus far, and are halfway through the fiscal year, I
>>>>>>>>>>> guess
>>>>>>>>>>> we may as well contribute something.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 4:56 AM, hfaiedh ines <
>>>>>>>>>>> hfaiedh.ines2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > Hi everyone
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > I do believe that it is important for us to have a presence at
>>>>>>>>>>> the "civil
>>>>>>>>>>> > society day before IGF".
>>>>>>>>>>> > That said, I do have an issue here: this seems to be an event
>>>>>>>>>>> for " civil
>>>>>>>>>>> > society networks namely: EFF, NCSG, APC, IGC, JNC". There s
>>>>>>>>>>> some procedural
>>>>>>>>>>> > issue here: Funding an event that is not 'directly' for NCUC
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> > participants that NCUC EC won't be involved in selecting
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > 1. Can we have an idea how could this be an NCUC outreach?
>>>>>>>>>>> Where's NCUC
>>>>>>>>>>> > here.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > 2. Adding our EC Europe Rep at the last minute for the opening
>>>>>>>>>>> does not make
>>>>>>>>>>> > it an NCUC outreach sorry.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > 3. So 1500$ could go for food and partial travel funding? Who
>>>>>>>>>>> are those who
>>>>>>>>>>> > are going to be funded? Are we the ones who will select them?
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > 5. Does NCSG have funds? Was NPOC asked to help as well?
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Dear Michael, I would lean toward helping in sponsoring the
>>>>>>>>>>> event if we have
>>>>>>>>>>> > a better understanding of where our contribution would go.
>>>>>>>>>>> What do you
>>>>>>>>>>> > think?
>>>>>>>>>>> > Hence, I would kindly ask Farzaneh to help us in the decision
>>>>>>>>>>> by:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > A- Giving us a breakout of expenses.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > B- Elaborating on how we can have NCUC presence effective and
>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged
>>>>>>>>>>> > at the event.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > C- How will partial funding go? NCUC members or not? Travel
>>>>>>>>>>> and/or
>>>>>>>>>>> > accomodation? Who will select them?
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > D- Would 800 $ help? The costs are around 2200$ and there are
>>>>>>>>>>> 5 members in
>>>>>>>>>>> > the coalition that should also step up to the plate.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > On Nov 25, 2017 22:04, "Renata Aquino Ribeiro" <
>>>>>>>>>>> raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Thank you Louise, for your input
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > As soon as we get closer to the event, we'll check w/ EC again
>>>>>>>>>>> if and
>>>>>>>>>>> > how we are going to do this opening.
>>>>>>>>>>> > Whoever does, I think this is where we will "stand our ground"
>>>>>>>>>>> so will
>>>>>>>>>>> > be important we build it collectively
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:01 PM, Louise Marie Hurel
>>>>>>>>>>> > <louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> My apologies for the delay just got back to London
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> So, my first reaction would be "yes". Given that the IGF is
>>>>>>>>>>> in *Geneva* it
>>>>>>>>>>> >> certainly makes it much harder for civil society groups,
>>>>>>>>>>> academics and
>>>>>>>>>>> >> non-commercial stakeholders overall to attend. Also, NCUC has
>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>> >> actively
>>>>>>>>>>> >> engaged in previous Best Bits meetings and supporting it
>>>>>>>>>>> seems like a
>>>>>>>>>>> >> natural path to take. Thus, I would agree with helping the
>>>>>>>>>>> event.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> As for opening the event, I would be happy to do so but don't
>>>>>>>>>>> know if I'll
>>>>>>>>>>> >> arrive in time for the opening. Can confirm this information
>>>>>>>>>>> later.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Louise Marie Hurel
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Cybersecurity Project Coordinator | Igarapé Institute
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> London School of Economics (LSE) Media and Communications
>>>>>>>>>>> (Data and
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Society)
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Skype: louise.dias
>>>>>>>>>>> >> +44 (0) 7468 906327
>>>>>>>>>>> >> l.h.dias at lse.ac.uk
>>>>>>>>>>> >> louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> 2017-11-25 16:35 GMT+00:00 Michael Karanicolas
>>>>>>>>>>> >> <michael at law-democracy.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Ok - so if I understand this correctly - the funding
>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't actually go
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> towards our participation, or getting a representative
>>>>>>>>>>> there, but rather
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> towards sponsoring the event itself?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> If that's the case, I would lean against it. Again, this
>>>>>>>>>>> comes back to
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> difference of whether or not we're a "funding organization".
>>>>>>>>>>> If the event
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> likely to go forward either way, I am doubtful as to whether
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> expenditure would provide much of a boost for the NCUC. If
>>>>>>>>>>> it were about
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> actually bringing someone to IGF, I'd be more sympathetic.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> <raquino at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Hi all
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> EC, remember you don't need to approve the full request.
>>>>>>>>>>> You can
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> provide funding for a lesser amount.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Michael, in answer to your question, more information form
>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> below
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> From: farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Date: Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 10:22 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Subject: More information
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> To: Renata Aquino <raquino at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Hi Renata,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Civil Society day is a pre-IGF event which is organized by
>>>>>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> civil society networks namely: EFF, NCSG, APC, IGC, JNC.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> The event is normally attended by around 50-60 people.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Most of the networks pitch in money, or source money. EFF
>>>>>>>>>>> pitches
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> money in, and NCUC funded civil society day last year too
>>>>>>>>>>> (I think
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> around 1000 USD). Food in Geneva is expensive, the menu
>>>>>>>>>>> that we are
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> looking at is around 2200 CHF (Swiss Frank). We asked ICANN
>>>>>>>>>>> to fund it
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> as well.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> At the moment Jeremy told me that to serve lunch during the
>>>>>>>>>>> event, it
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> comes to 2200 USD. If ICANN and EFF chip in too we can have
>>>>>>>>>>> a pot of
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> money to cover food and cover partial travel funding upon
>>>>>>>>>>> request.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>  Some put forward their request in registration list to get
>>>>>>>>>>> partial
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> funding to attend the meeting. The program committee
>>>>>>>>>>> decides on who
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> gets funded and for how much(program committee consists of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> networks reps: IGC, NCSG EFF, APC, JNC. The participants
>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> members of the civil society networks, bestbits etc. Last
>>>>>>>>>>> year for
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Mexico I think we supported partially two travelers from
>>>>>>>>>>> LAC.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > fwding a Michael's message to this list which got
>>>>>>>>>>> sidetracked
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > I'll answer soon
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> From: Mike <mkaranicolas at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> To: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> Cc: Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>> "Exec. Comm"
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> Bcc:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 17:32:05 -0400
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Fwd: Funding civil society day
>>>>>>>>>>> before IGF
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> I have no objection, but can we get a bit more details
>>>>>>>>>>> as to where
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> the
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> money is going? Who are the “selected participants”?
>>>>>>>>>>> 1500 is a lot
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> for food
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> - presumably that’s toward airfare and accommodation too?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> On Nov 24, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> Hi Bruna
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> No, the our Procedures require us to analyse case by
>>>>>>>>>>> case and
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> recommend an average amount (which is smaller) for more
>>>>>>>>>>> general and
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> urgent requests.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> The Civil Society Meeting (this is the correct name)
>>>>>>>>>>> has had funded
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> travellers before. I guess it depends on their final
>>>>>>>>>>> balance of
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> expenses whether the money will go to fund a new
>>>>>>>>>>> traveller or help
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> pay
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> for extra hotel nights to attend, for instance.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Bruna Martins dos
>>>>>>>>>>> Santos
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Renata,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Given what was stated in Farzi's email - the fact that
>>>>>>>>>>> you'll be in
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> opening ceremony and that Farzi will also have a
>>>>>>>>>>> moment to brief
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> about NCSG/NCUC - the bestbits meeting can be
>>>>>>>>>>> considered the NCUC
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> outreaching event for the IGF and I would not oppose
>>>>>>>>>>> on giving some
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> money to
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> the event.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> One question though, are we supporting members for the
>>>>>>>>>>> IGF itself
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> when we
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> talk about the 1500 USD for food and modest travel
>>>>>>>>>>> funding are we
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> considering funding more people ?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Also, does the operating procedures oppose to the
>>>>>>>>>>> amount of money
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> requested
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> ? (not from my initial reading)
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> best,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> B
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> 2017-11-24 12:55 GMT-02:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> <raquino at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear EC
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> I'm forwarding Farzaneh's request for NCUC EC to
>>>>>>>>>>> support civil
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> society
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> day.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> In previous editions this event also had NCUC support.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> NCUC Operating Procedures mention allocation of funds
>>>>>>>>>>> on itens VI
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> and VII
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> https://www.ncuc.org/ncuc-operating-procedures/
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> Although this event is a budget higher than the
>>>>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> recommended
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> for approval (USD 500) and the timeline is a bit
>>>>>>>>>>> short, you must
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> have in mind we have had no budget for outreach
>>>>>>>>>>> events for IGF
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> approved, we do have a workshop there, and our
>>>>>>>>>>> traditional form
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> outreach is to be reviewed, so the request was sent
>>>>>>>>>>> via email
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> of that.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> I would also ask Farzaneh to provide materials to
>>>>>>>>>>> publicize the
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> event
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> before and after the meeting (program and report -
>>>>>>>>>>> with speakers
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> main
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> points).
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> Please review the request and send in your comments
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> From: farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> Date: Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 11:22 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> Subject: Funding civil society day before IGF
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> To: Renata Aquino <raquino at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear Renata,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> I was wondering if you and NCUC EC could consider
>>>>>>>>>>> funding the
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> civil
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> society day before IGF? I am requesting 1500 USD
>>>>>>>>>>> which goes
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> towards
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> food and perhaps some modest travel funding for the
>>>>>>>>>>> selected
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> participants.  You as the NCUC chair will open the
>>>>>>>>>>> day with Jovan
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> Diplo and I have also gotten a brief timeslot to talk
>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> NCUC/NCSG.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> I am the NCSG rep on the planning committee of this
>>>>>>>>>>> meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> Here is the link to the event.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> https://bestbits.net/events/jo
>>>>>>>>>>> int-cs-2017/?instance_id=
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> NCUC-EC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> NCUC-EC at lists.ncuc.org
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin
>>>>>>>>>>> /mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Bruna Martins dos Santos
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> +55 61 99252-6512
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> @boomartins
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +55 61 99252-6512 <(61)%2099252-6512>
>>>>>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>>>>>>>> @boomartins
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Elsa Saade
>>>>>> Human Rights Officer
>>>>>> Gulf Center for Human Rights
>>>>>> Beirut, Lebanon
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Elsa Saade
>>>> Human Rights Officer
>>>> Gulf Center for Human Rights
>>>> Beirut, Lebanon
>>>>
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