[NCUC-EC] NCUC Community Travel response

Renata Aquino Ribeiro raquino at gmail.com
Mon Nov 20 14:40:59 CET 2017 

I think it is a great idea
A summary on how the program allocation impacts our community members
participation is fine

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos
<bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
> Renata,
>
> One thing is to hint out better communication between the Fellowship and
> NextGen program and the SO/ACs on the allegedly members. Another thing is to
> introduce the subject of NextGen, Fellowship and Onboarding and spend 5
> paragraphs criticising exclusively the Fellowship program based on the fact
> that it has funded travellers. We all have some criticism to share about
> these programs, but if we're to include them on this document, I believe it
> should be more related to NCUC.
>
> Should we resume this part then? Maybe focusing on the communication and
> NCUC's will to better participate of the selection/follow-up process instead
> of whats already there, what do you think ?
>
> 2017-11-20 11:27 GMT-02:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I think the issue here is travel funding and its allocation.
>>
>> Fellowship program has more than once allocated these opportunities to
>> people who do not represent NCUC, sometimes it is just about people
>> who aren't active at all and there have been occasions where one says
>> they are NCUC member or even recommended by an EC or Chair and this is
>> not the case.
>>
>> If this is a training program w/ travel funding which also benefits
>> our members, the community should not have "fake members" taking
>> advantage of the resource.
>>
>> So I think we can hint out that better communication between the
>> program and SO/ACs is ideal before spending funds to bring people to
>> meeting who are not representative of our community and claim to be
>> such.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Renata
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Michael Karanicolas
>> <michael at law-democracy.org> wrote:
>> > I'm also doubtful that the shots against the fellowship program are
>> > appropriate. I recall having a similar back and forth with Ayden
>> > regarding the submission about ICANN's reserve fund. It seems to be a
>> > pet issue of his. I don't really have strong feelings about the
>> > fellowship program either way, as I have limited experience with it,
>> > but it wasn't relevant to include in the conversation about the
>> > reserve fund, and I also don't think it is relevant to include here.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 9:51 AM, hfaiedh ines <hfaiedh.ines2 at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Absolutely
>> >>
>> >> Also myself and Renata were Fellows so 4 out of the 6 NCUC Leadership
>> >> team
>> >> in total and in many other positions within ICANN constituencies.
>> >> Currently
>> >> there s even a Board member who is a Fellow.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Nov 20, 2017 13:17, "Elsa S" <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hey team,
>> >>>
>> >>> I might be too late for this, but I did not have a stable internet
>> >>> connection till today. I've added some comments and some suggestions
>> >>> to the
>> >>> doc.
>> >>>
>> >>> Generally, I think we should be careful with our words when we talk
>> >>> about
>> >>> a certain entity such as the fellowship program! I do agree that there
>> >>> should be a review of how it works but hinting the need for its
>> >>> discontinuation until that review happens, is a bit extreme as for
>> >>> instance,
>> >>> Bruna and I were fellows and if it weren't for the fellowship we
>> >>> wouldn't
>> >>> have been able to be here.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best,
>> >>>
>> >>> Elsa
>> >>> --
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:43 AM, hfaiedh ines
>> >>> <hfaiedh.ines2 at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi everyone
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I saw that part crossed so I didn't want to comment on it more
>> >>>> because I
>> >>>> am in agreement with Michael.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Those seats should be requested only for people who do have real
>> >>>> physical
>> >>>> issues especially related to blood pressure, Diabetes (making blood
>> >>>> flow to
>> >>>> feet difficult), any physical impairment/issue which a doctor says
>> >>>> requires
>> >>>> a more comfortable seating etc.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The 12 hour arrival prior to business day in the meeting makes sense
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> I support it.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Nov 19, 2017 23:39, "Bruna Martins dos Santos"
>> >>>> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Also, doesn't sound quite coherent to call out the Fellowship
>> >>>>> Program
>> >>>>> for its inflating costs, increasing scale and unclear benefits,
>> >>>>> there is
>> >>>>> definitely a need for the reassessment of these programs in order to
>> >>>>> increase their effectiveness and to defend premium seats at the same
>> >>>>> time.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 2017-11-19 20:37 GMT-02:00 Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >>>>> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Just gave the document a read and I also agree with Michael's
>> >>>>>> position,
>> >>>>>> allowing ourselves to support the 'premium seats' doesn't sound
>> >>>>>> nice. Apart
>> >>>>>> from the medical/age cases, supporting the idea of flying community
>> >>>>>> members
>> >>>>>> on 1st class based on the fact that the flights are long or the
>> >>>>>> connections
>> >>>>>> are hard when the price of one of those seats could normally fly 2
>> >>>>>> to 3 ppl
>> >>>>>> just doesn't sound right.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I can agree with the arrival requirement being set for 12h before
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>> business day, though.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 2017-11-19 18:06 GMT-02:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >>>>>> <raquino at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Hi
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Thanks everyone who addedd comments, very helpful
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> FYI NCSG PC has already submitted their final response
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> It's here
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?usp=sharing
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> We need to finalize ours soon
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Best
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Renata
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Louise Marie Hurel
>> >>>>>>> <louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> > Added a couple of comments and suggestions.
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > Cheers,
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > Louise Marie Hurel
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > Cybersecurity Project Coordinator | Igarapé Institute
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > London School of Economics (LSE) Media and Communications (Data
>> >>>>>>> > and
>> >>>>>>> > Society)
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > Skype: louise.dias
>> >>>>>>> > +44 (0) 7468 906327
>> >>>>>>> > l.h.dias at lse.ac.uk
>> >>>>>>> > louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > 2017-11-18 5:16 GMT+05:30 Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >>>>>>> > <raquino at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> Just letting you know we have until next week to send it, 24th
>> >>>>>>> >> Nov.
>> >>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> So more can chime in.
>> >>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 5:52 PM, hfaiedh ines
>> >>>>>>> >> <hfaiedh.ines2 at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >> > I have added my edits as well.
>> >>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>> >> > On Nov 17, 2017 20:14, "Michael Karanicolas"
>> >>>>>>> >> > <michael at law-democracy.org>
>> >>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> >> Hi,
>> >>>>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> >> I've amended to edit out the discussion of premium seats, as
>> >>>>>>> >> >> I
>> >>>>>>> >> >> don't
>> >>>>>>> >> >> think it's a good position to take.
>> >>>>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e1RmaaCV0_fHLUHcz6GlCX21zVljTMGqX1Uz-tL6HWI/edit
>> >>>>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> >> Michael
>> >>>>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> >> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >>>>>>> >> >> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >> >> > Thank you, Renata! I will take a look!
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >
>> >>>>>>> >> >> > 2017-11-17 12:50 GMT-02:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >>>>>>> >> >> > <raquino at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >> Dear EC,
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >> We have to send a response to the Community Travel
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >> questionnaire
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >> until
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >> Monday 19th
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >> Please send your inputs in this doc
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e1RmaaCV0_fHLUHcz6GlCX21zVljTMGqX1Uz-tL6HWI/edit?usp=sharing
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >> Apologies on the short deadline
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >> Best
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >> Renata
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>> >>>>>>> >> >> >
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >
>> >>>>>>> >> >> > --
>> >>>>>>> >> >> > Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >
>> >>>>>>> >> >> > +55 61 99252-6512
>> >>>>>>> >> >> > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> >>>>>>> >> >> > @boomartins
>> >>>>>>> >> >> >
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>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> +55 61 99252-6512
>> >>>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> >>>>>> @boomartins
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> +55 61 99252-6512
>> >>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> >>>>> @boomartins
>> >>>>>
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>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> --
>> >>>
>> >>> Elsa Saade
>> >>> Human Rights Officer
>> >>> Gulf Center for Human Rights
>> >>> Beirut, Lebanon
>> >>
>> >>
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>
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