[NCUC-EC] Fwd: Mp3, action items, attendance and AC chat NCUC Bylaws Meeting on Friday, 26 May 2017 at 14:00 UTC

[farzaneh badii]

Here is the recording and transcript of the final bylaws meeting.

Thanks everyone.

Farzaneh

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>
Date: Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:50 PM
Subject: Mp3, action items, attendance and AC chat NCUC Bylaws Meeting on
Friday, 26 May 2017 at 14:00 UTC
To: farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>, Maryam Bakoshi <
maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
Cc: "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>


Dear Farzaneh and Maryam,



Please attached the action items/ notes and below the mp3, attendance and
Adobe Connect chat from the NCUC Bylaws Meeting held on Friday, 26 May 2017
at 14:00 UTC. We will send transcription upon receipt.



MP3: https://icann.box.com/shared/static/1ai9zt83pjhkgk3irj6b6wnxqkyblu
az.mp3



*Attendance:*

Rafik Dammak

Tatiana Tropina

Milton Mueller

Farzaneh Badii



Staff:

Terri Agnew



Thank you.



Kind regards,



Terri



*AC Chat:*

  Terri Agnew:Welcome to the NCUC Bylaws Meeting on Friday, 26 May 2017 at
14:00 UTC

  Rafik:yes

  Tatiana Tropina:thanks! This time I had to downpoand the adobe plug in so
assume mic shall work - yay

  Terri Agnew:mic is indeed working. If you should need a dial out, send me
a private chat and I can get that taken care of

  Tatiana Tropina:Hi Farz - is MM joining?

  Rafik:yellow card Farzi, being late to your own meeting :p

  Rafik:Georgia is an underserved region?

  Rafik:پیشواز ماه رمضان

  Tatiana Tropina:Рафик это ЧТО?

  Farzaneh Badii:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m38v50W-
vLjZLDAr6HoZzRXQP3aE9Xoz1RmlGqAIQ-Y/edit

  Tatiana Tropina:I am on the doc

  Tatiana Tropina:I made a small change - where I had to make it

  Tatiana Tropina:but have to verify the wording with a native speaker (MM)

  Tatiana Tropina:am ok with this

  Terri Agnew:Welcome Milton

  Tatiana Tropina:Milton! I want you to check something...

  Milton:I have no dial out yer

  Tatiana Tropina:"Suspension of the execution of the challenged decision"
- does it sound ok from native speaker's point of view?

  Milton:sounds extremely dangerous

  Tatiana Tropina:I feel uneasy.

  Tatiana Tropina:MILTON!

  Rafik:?

  Terri Agnew:@Milton, op is dialing

  Rafik:fine with changing to charter

  Tatiana Tropina:Why charter?

  Tatiana Tropina:Am fine just wondering

  Tatiana Tropina:but then we have to change the language in the bylaws

  Terri Agnew:Milton has joined on the telephone

  Tatiana Tropina:oh thank you

  Milton:charter has different implications than bylaws

  Tatiana Tropina:Milton can you elaborate?

  Farzaneh Badii:Section  II.  Paragraph C and D

  Terri Agnew:@Milton, yes, we can hear you

  Milton:Charter implies your mission and authorization granted by someone,
bylaws means the rules we use to operate

  Tatiana Tropina:Actually what we drafted IS bylaws and not a charter

  Tatiana Tropina:I just checked online

  Milton:yes

  Tatiana Tropina:I now agree with MM - I just checked online

  Tatiana Tropina:Charter is something like incorporation and place of
peration

  Tatiana Tropina:just like establishment

  Tatiana Tropina:and bylaws are the rule

  Rafik:the point of this is to make a point :)

  Tatiana Tropina:They were wrong calling other stuff charters I think

  Tatiana Tropina:Milton had ECHO :(

  Tatiana Tropina:what about when he is speaking :D

  Tatiana Tropina:I think Farz has to mute herself when MM is talking

  Farzaneh Badii: Section  II.  Paragraph C and D

  Milton:We have chosen to call this "bylaws" rather than charter because
they are in fact a set of bylaws that govern how we operator, conditions of
eligibiliy, rules and so on. A charter is much more limited and involves
the authorization for establishment of an organization

  Farzaneh Badii:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m38v50W-
vLjZLDAr6HoZzRXQP3aE9Xoz1RmlGqAIQ-Y/edit

  Tatiana Tropina:agree with MM

  Tatiana Tropina:Yes I agreew with removing them

  Tatiana Tropina:D is easpeciallt freaking confusing

  Tatiana Tropina:I think it's in the EC part of the bylaws?

  Tatiana Tropina:I agree

  Tatiana Tropina:We could abolish it

  Tatiana Tropina:me agrees with the latter

  Tatiana Tropina:I mean, why have them at all

  Tatiana Tropina:the less is the better as we have this elaborated
further, just making references is ok

  Rafik:we have to ensure that the details are elaborated in other sections

  Tatiana Tropina:Never heard Milton sighing before :O

  Tatiana Tropina:Agree

  Milton:is there an inconsistency in numbering? what are where is Section
2.2 of the NCSG Charter?

  Tatiana Tropina:let's accept then

  Tatiana Tropina:unless someone here objects

  Farzaneh Badii:III(D)

  Tatiana Tropina:NCSG charter

  Tatiana Tropina:different document

  Tatiana Tropina:it's not a problem because we don't have a crystall ball
and we can't go on without referencing NCSG charter

  Tatiana Tropina:yes

  Farzaneh Badii:I am sure we have bishops

  Tatiana Tropina:guys check the wording - I inserted some words

  Rafik:yes disclosure whenever there is change

  Rafik:like for SOI

  Rafik:nope

  Tatiana Tropina:I SO agree with Milton

  Tatiana Tropina:it's a rule that sounds like a damocles sword

  Tatiana Tropina:no one will be able to apply it consistently

  Tatiana Tropina:ok now - please check the wording of the funding thing

  Tatiana Tropina:the one I inserted

  Tatiana Tropina:down now

  Tatiana Tropina:I lowered it

  Tatiana Tropina:agree with operating rules

  Rafik:having feeling that the anonymous crow is MM

  Milton:Something to crow about

  Milton:its ungrammatica;

  Milton:grammatical

  Milton:"subject to a membership review of the circumstances". ???

  Tatiana Tropina:I think the changes are ok

  Milton:I amnot sure they make them better

  Tatiana Tropina:agree

  Milton:I think we need to be careful about this and think about scenarios

  Tatiana Tropina:I agree

  Tatiana Tropina:I mean he gives us options while keeping our options still

  Milton:nawww

  Tatiana Tropina:so what's the real problem here

  Milton:just let me review it once more

  Farzaneh Badii: IV(E)(4)

  Milton:Yeah I think it is ok (J)

  Tatiana Tropina:am ok with Milton's eording

  Tatiana Tropina:wording

  Tatiana Tropina:surprisingly :-)

  Milton:Eor

  Milton: is a donkey in Winnie the Pooh

  Tatiana Tropina:Hoarding :-)

  Milton:We always agree ;-)

  Farzaneh Badii: IV (H)(4)

  Tatiana Tropina:I came up with the wording.

  Tatiana Tropina:you guys check if this is ok

  Tatiana Tropina:KIDNLY :(

  Tatiana Tropina:I need a native speaker to check

  Rafik:looks legalish, so ok

  Milton:its ok English-wise, just a bit lengthy

  Milton:you could just say "suspension of the challenged decision"

  Tatiana Tropina:lengthy is ok because it was shorter but not clear

  Tatiana Tropina:cool I like it

  Tatiana Tropina:does it have the same meaning?

  Milton:not as precise

  Milton:what is being suspended? Execution or implementation

  Milton:right, TT - so the shorter version is not as precise, as I said.
but from context may be clear anyway

  Farzaneh Badii:agrred

  Milton:Doesn't matter a lot, but can we use implementation instead of
execution?

  Milton:I think of heads being cut off

  Tatiana Tropina:Good

  Rafik:I am groot

  Farzaneh Badii:VI (B)(4)

  Milton:We are doing well, but I will hate you for 3 days for pulling me
into this

  Tatiana Tropina:I have been hating her since the moment I got on EC :(

  Rafik:we dont have quorum for election

  Tatiana Tropina:may be we have to provide something about hate in the
bylaw

  Milton:what section # ?

  Farzaneh Badii:VI (B)(4)

  Terri Agnew:Yes, we can Rafik

  Tatiana Tropina:What's wrong with "election results"

  Tatiana Tropina:why quorum

  Milton:the check-in process

 Milton:why do we not want to use the word "quorum?"

  Rafik:yes

  Rafik:remove quorum reference

  Tatiana Tropina:we don;t have quorum

  Rafik:it was added by Ken

  Milton:ok I get it

  Tatiana Tropina:Milton got it :-)

  Rafik:which section?

  Farzaneh Badii:VI(E)

  Tatiana Tropina:I agree with adding the sentense

  Rafik:there is risk that in each election a disgruntled candidate to ask
for audit

  Rafik:but

  Rafik:it is ok

  Milton:operating rules may not allow any disgruntled person to ask for an
audit

  Milton:we should allow only gruntled persons to request ;-)

  Milton:I am gruntled

  Farzaneh Badii:VII(D)

  Rafik:lost sound for a while

  Tatiana Tropina:i heard

  Terri Agnew:@Farzaneh, we heard you, it was just Rafik's connection

  Tatiana Tropina:With EC

  Tatiana Tropina:because consultation with the membership shall be voting
at the end

  Farzaneh Badii:VII (D

  Rafik:informing membership not consultation

  Milton:no

  Rafik:dont accept ken changes

  Milton:agree with TT

  Milton:has someone fallen aslepp and is snoring?

  Tatiana Tropina:committes

  Tatiana Tropina:because some of them are not appointed

  Tatiana Tropina:but elected

  Tatiana Tropina:hurts?

  Milton:tough

  Tatiana Tropina:sigh

  Rafik:need to love soon, passed midnight since a while :)

  Tatiana Tropina:love??

  Rafik:leave :D

  Tatiana Tropina:wow

  Milton:I need to love too

  Tatiana Tropina:I want to love

  Rafik:it means I am already falling asleep

  Milton:Rafik was snoring, that explains it

  Tatiana Tropina:snoring love

  Milton:You are putting us all to sleep Farzi

  Rafik:I am muted and awake

  Tatiana Tropina:reject.

  Tatiana Tropina:love and rejection...

  Milton:I am spposed to meet someone on campus at Noon. So will have to
leave home now

  Rafik:I think missing 3 meetigns in row?

  Milton:Bauer said removal procedures should be in the bylaws. That will
cause trouble

  Tatiana Tropina:shall we do them on mailing list?

  Milton:I have to go now

  Milton:Bye

  Tatiana Tropina:Farz just sent us the remaining questions

  Tatiana Tropina:agree

  Tatiana Tropina:thanks for organining and taking the lead - and thanks
Terri!

  Tatiana Tropina:bye all
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