[NCUC-EC] Mp3, action items, attendance and AC chat NCUC Bylaws Meeting on Friday, 26 May 2017 at 14:00 UTC
farzaneh badii
farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
Sat May 27 01:50:30 CEST 2017
And here is the transcript for our final session.
Farzaneh
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:57 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Here is the recording and transcript of the final bylaws meeting.
>
> Thanks everyone.
>
> Farzaneh
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>
> Date: Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:50 PM
> Subject: Mp3, action items, attendance and AC chat NCUC Bylaws Meeting on
> Friday, 26 May 2017 at 14:00 UTC
> To: farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>, Maryam Bakoshi <
> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> Cc: "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>
>
> Dear Farzaneh and Maryam,
>
>
>
> Please attached the action items/ notes and below the mp3, attendance and
> Adobe Connect chat from the NCUC Bylaws Meeting held on Friday, 26 May 2017
> at 14:00 UTC. We will send transcription upon receipt.
>
>
>
> MP3: https://icann.box.com/shared/static/1ai9zt83pjhkgk3irj6b6wnx
> qkybluaz.mp3
>
>
>
> *Attendance:*
>
> Rafik Dammak
>
> Tatiana Tropina
>
> Milton Mueller
>
> Farzaneh Badii
>
>
>
> Staff:
>
> Terri Agnew
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Terri
>
>
>
> *AC Chat:*
>
> Terri Agnew:Welcome to the NCUC Bylaws Meeting on Friday, 26 May 2017 at
> 14:00 UTC
>
> Rafik:yes
>
> Tatiana Tropina:thanks! This time I had to downpoand the adobe plug in
> so assume mic shall work - yay
>
> Terri Agnew:mic is indeed working. If you should need a dial out, send
> me a private chat and I can get that taken care of
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Hi Farz - is MM joining?
>
> Rafik:yellow card Farzi, being late to your own meeting :p
>
> Rafik:Georgia is an underserved region?
>
> Rafik:پیشواز ماه رمضان
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Рафик это ЧТО?
>
> Farzaneh Badii:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m38v50W-vLjZLDAr6H
> oZzRXQP3aE9Xoz1RmlGqAIQ-Y/edit
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I am on the doc
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I made a small change - where I had to make it
>
> Tatiana Tropina:but have to verify the wording with a native speaker (MM)
>
> Tatiana Tropina:am ok with this
>
> Terri Agnew:Welcome Milton
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Milton! I want you to check something...
>
> Milton:I have no dial out yer
>
> Tatiana Tropina:"Suspension of the execution of the challenged decision"
> - does it sound ok from native speaker's point of view?
>
> Milton:sounds extremely dangerous
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I feel uneasy.
>
> Tatiana Tropina:MILTON!
>
> Rafik:?
>
> Terri Agnew:@Milton, op is dialing
>
> Rafik:fine with changing to charter
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Why charter?
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Am fine just wondering
>
> Tatiana Tropina:but then we have to change the language in the bylaws
>
> Terri Agnew:Milton has joined on the telephone
>
> Tatiana Tropina:oh thank you
>
> Milton:charter has different implications than bylaws
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Milton can you elaborate?
>
> Farzaneh Badii:Section II. Paragraph C and D
>
> Terri Agnew:@Milton, yes, we can hear you
>
> Milton:Charter implies your mission and authorization granted by
> someone, bylaws means the rules we use to operate
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Actually what we drafted IS bylaws and not a charter
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I just checked online
>
> Milton:yes
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I now agree with MM - I just checked online
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Charter is something like incorporation and place of
> peration
>
> Tatiana Tropina:just like establishment
>
> Tatiana Tropina:and bylaws are the rule
>
> Rafik:the point of this is to make a point :)
>
> Tatiana Tropina:They were wrong calling other stuff charters I think
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Milton had ECHO :(
>
> Tatiana Tropina:what about when he is speaking :D
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I think Farz has to mute herself when MM is talking
>
> Farzaneh Badii: Section II. Paragraph C and D
>
> Milton:We have chosen to call this "bylaws" rather than charter because
> they are in fact a set of bylaws that govern how we operator, conditions of
> eligibiliy, rules and so on. A charter is much more limited and involves
> the authorization for establishment of an organization
>
> Farzaneh Badii:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m38v50W-vLjZLDAr6H
> oZzRXQP3aE9Xoz1RmlGqAIQ-Y/edit
>
> Tatiana Tropina:agree with MM
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Yes I agreew with removing them
>
> Tatiana Tropina:D is easpeciallt freaking confusing
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I think it's in the EC part of the bylaws?
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I agree
>
> Tatiana Tropina:We could abolish it
>
> Tatiana Tropina:me agrees with the latter
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I mean, why have them at all
>
> Tatiana Tropina:the less is the better as we have this elaborated
> further, just making references is ok
>
> Rafik:we have to ensure that the details are elaborated in other sections
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Never heard Milton sighing before :O
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Agree
>
> Milton:is there an inconsistency in numbering? what are where is Section
> 2.2 of the NCSG Charter?
>
> Tatiana Tropina:let's accept then
>
> Tatiana Tropina:unless someone here objects
>
> Farzaneh Badii:III(D)
>
> Tatiana Tropina:NCSG charter
>
> Tatiana Tropina:different document
>
> Tatiana Tropina:it's not a problem because we don't have a crystall ball
> and we can't go on without referencing NCSG charter
>
> Tatiana Tropina:yes
>
> Farzaneh Badii:I am sure we have bishops
>
> Tatiana Tropina:guys check the wording - I inserted some words
>
> Rafik:yes disclosure whenever there is change
>
> Rafik:like for SOI
>
> Rafik:nope
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I SO agree with Milton
>
> Tatiana Tropina:it's a rule that sounds like a damocles sword
>
> Tatiana Tropina:no one will be able to apply it consistently
>
> Tatiana Tropina:ok now - please check the wording of the funding thing
>
> Tatiana Tropina:the one I inserted
>
> Tatiana Tropina:down now
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I lowered it
>
> Tatiana Tropina:agree with operating rules
>
> Rafik:having feeling that the anonymous crow is MM
>
> Milton:Something to crow about
>
> Milton:its ungrammatica;
>
> Milton:grammatical
>
> Milton:"subject to a membership review of the circumstances". ???
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I think the changes are ok
>
> Milton:I amnot sure they make them better
>
> Tatiana Tropina:agree
>
> Milton:I think we need to be careful about this and think about scenarios
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I agree
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I mean he gives us options while keeping our options
> still
>
> Milton:nawww
>
> Tatiana Tropina:so what's the real problem here
>
> Milton:just let me review it once more
>
> Farzaneh Badii: IV(E)(4)
>
> Milton:Yeah I think it is ok (J)
>
> Tatiana Tropina:am ok with Milton's eording
>
> Tatiana Tropina:wording
>
> Tatiana Tropina:surprisingly :-)
>
> Milton:Eor
>
> Milton: is a donkey in Winnie the Pooh
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Hoarding :-)
>
> Milton:We always agree ;-)
>
> Farzaneh Badii: IV (H)(4)
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I came up with the wording.
>
> Tatiana Tropina:you guys check if this is ok
>
> Tatiana Tropina:KIDNLY :(
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I need a native speaker to check
>
> Rafik:looks legalish, so ok
>
> Milton:its ok English-wise, just a bit lengthy
>
> Milton:you could just say "suspension of the challenged decision"
>
> Tatiana Tropina:lengthy is ok because it was shorter but not clear
>
> Tatiana Tropina:cool I like it
>
> Tatiana Tropina:does it have the same meaning?
>
> Milton:not as precise
>
> Milton:what is being suspended? Execution or implementation
>
> Milton:right, TT - so the shorter version is not as precise, as I said.
> but from context may be clear anyway
>
> Farzaneh Badii:agrred
>
> Milton:Doesn't matter a lot, but can we use implementation instead of
> execution?
>
> Milton:I think of heads being cut off
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Good
>
> Rafik:I am groot
>
> Farzaneh Badii:VI (B)(4)
>
> Milton:We are doing well, but I will hate you for 3 days for pulling me
> into this
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I have been hating her since the moment I got on EC :(
>
> Rafik:we dont have quorum for election
>
> Tatiana Tropina:may be we have to provide something about hate in the
> bylaw
>
> Milton:what section # ?
>
> Farzaneh Badii:VI (B)(4)
>
> Terri Agnew:Yes, we can Rafik
>
> Tatiana Tropina:What's wrong with "election results"
>
> Tatiana Tropina:why quorum
>
> Milton:the check-in process
>
> Milton:why do we not want to use the word "quorum?"
>
> Rafik:yes
>
> Rafik:remove quorum reference
>
> Tatiana Tropina:we don;t have quorum
>
> Rafik:it was added by Ken
>
> Milton:ok I get it
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Milton got it :-)
>
> Rafik:which section?
>
> Farzaneh Badii:VI(E)
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I agree with adding the sentense
>
> Rafik:there is risk that in each election a disgruntled candidate to ask
> for audit
>
> Rafik:but
>
> Rafik:it is ok
>
> Milton:operating rules may not allow any disgruntled person to ask for
> an audit
>
> Milton:we should allow only gruntled persons to request ;-)
>
> Milton:I am gruntled
>
> Farzaneh Badii:VII(D)
>
> Rafik:lost sound for a while
>
> Tatiana Tropina:i heard
>
> Terri Agnew:@Farzaneh, we heard you, it was just Rafik's connection
>
> Tatiana Tropina:With EC
>
> Tatiana Tropina:because consultation with the membership shall be voting
> at the end
>
> Farzaneh Badii:VII (D
>
> Rafik:informing membership not consultation
>
> Milton:no
>
> Rafik:dont accept ken changes
>
> Milton:agree with TT
>
> Milton:has someone fallen aslepp and is snoring?
>
> Tatiana Tropina:committes
>
> Tatiana Tropina:because some of them are not appointed
>
> Tatiana Tropina:but elected
>
> Tatiana Tropina:hurts?
>
> Milton:tough
>
> Tatiana Tropina:sigh
>
> Rafik:need to love soon, passed midnight since a while :)
>
> Tatiana Tropina:love??
>
> Rafik:leave :D
>
> Tatiana Tropina:wow
>
> Milton:I need to love too
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I want to love
>
> Rafik:it means I am already falling asleep
>
> Milton:Rafik was snoring, that explains it
>
> Tatiana Tropina:snoring love
>
> Milton:You are putting us all to sleep Farzi
>
> Rafik:I am muted and awake
>
> Tatiana Tropina:reject.
>
> Tatiana Tropina:love and rejection...
>
> Milton:I am spposed to meet someone on campus at Noon. So will have to
> leave home now
>
> Rafik:I think missing 3 meetigns in row?
>
> Milton:Bauer said removal procedures should be in the bylaws. That will
> cause trouble
>
> Tatiana Tropina:shall we do them on mailing list?
>
> Milton:I have to go now
>
> Milton:Bye
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Farz just sent us the remaining questions
>
> Tatiana Tropina:agree
>
> Tatiana Tropina:thanks for organining and taking the lead - and thanks
> Terri!
>
> Tatiana Tropina:bye all
>
>
>
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