[NCUC-EC] FW: Proposal for travel support for trip to the INternational working group on data protection in telecommunications in Oslo April 2016

Fri Feb 12 02:29:47 CET 2016

Hi Farazneh,

2016-02-12 10:17 GMT+09:00 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>:

> Hi Rafik,
>
> OK, I now kind of understand. I don't disagree,   but I  still think
> Milton's suggestions to ask her for  [a report to the EC about new
> membership possibilities or opportunities/strategies for increasing our
> policy influence on this issue within ICANN] should be followed. More in
> spirit of transparency, I  think we should:
>

report is mandatory for any travel support , I don't think I dropped that
requirements :)

>
> inform our members about such opportunities ( that there is a limited
> budget for such requests)
>

yes sure, we should discuss if we should have some specific budget for
that. I am not really fan of ad-hoc approach, we are flexible but not
reckless

>
> announce that Stephanie has received such travel support and the
> conference she is going to .
>

yes

Best,

Rafik

>
>
> On 12 February 2016 at 02:01, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>
>>
>> this request is not an for outreach to get new members  but to bring
>> privacy experts and Data Protection Authority to get involved in the
>> process and even intervene since they have the legitimacy to do so. NCUC
>> had one success in term of lobbying when our outreach and contacts get the
>> EU Article29 WG to send the letter to the board in 2013 about the RAA
>> provisions (the board still trying to dodge and not responding clearly to
>> that letter)
>>
>> Stephanie is going to that meeting to inform DPA about what is happening,
>> since we have newly started RDS process and we need all possible allies to
>> come. so the purpose fall under "opportunities/strategies for increasing
>> our policy influence on this issue within ICANN". we will follow-up with
>> her closely to make this effective and beneficial for NCUC.
>>
>> the allocation will come from NCUC budget , we exceptionally allocate
>> small amount when it is worthy to do so. that is why we need to work more
>> in term of fund-seeking and explore possible areas for that.
>>
>> yes, in general we have the expectation that those supported by CROPP for
>> example to mention NCUC, get contacts and do a serious outreach. we are not
>> funding people to their own stuff, we don't have such luxury. that is quite
>> clear.
>>
>> with comments I see in different discussions and threads with some level
>> of confusion, I do see the need for a clear strategy, roadmap ,strategy
>> listing goals and objectives so we can align them with the action we are
>> doing. for example "influencing PDP regarding privacy" can be translated
>>  into actions like capacity building for newcomers to get involved in the
>> process, funding NC experts to attend meeting, producing a position paper
>> about whois issue, outreach to DPA and other related parties. I will be
>> happy to work on that.
>>
>> Such roadmap will also help us in term of selections, travel awarding,
>> appointments but also expectations from of what we are doing.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2016-02-12 4:22 GMT+09:00 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Which budget are we going to use to allocate funding to Stephanie?  I
>>> agree with Rafik that it should be outcome oriented. As well as a blogpost
>>> as Milton suggested I think a report to"the EC about new membership
>>> possibilities" or "opportunities/strategies for increasing our policy
>>> influence on this issue within ICANN", would be nice. But I would like to
>>> see a plan from Stephanie on how she is going to raise awareness about our
>>> work and who she potentially has in mind to approach and discuss NCUC with.
>>>
>>> Sometimes participants ( and I dont mean Stephanie in specific here)
>>> just go to conferences with no mention of NCUC - I think if they are funded
>>> by us they have an obligation to at least talk about NCUC  and our work and
>>> show us results. ( whatever that maybe)
>>>
>>> If this is not funding that requires her to do outreach for NCUC, then
>>> what is the objective of funding her travel?
>>>
>>> I also am skeptical about the effectiveness of participation at the same
>>> conference every year which most of the times has the same group of
>>> participants . I also don't know what the objective is ....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11 February 2016 at 19:55, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Back to this, is there any objection to this decision: 600$ to attend
>>>> privacy conference.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>> On Jan 19, 2016 10:43 AM, "PeterGreen" <seekcommunications at hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Rafik, Milton, EC members,
>>>>>
>>>>> I recall that it was in last April that Stephanie attened the same
>>>>> meeting which was held in Seoul. So it would make it a consecutive and
>>>>> productive conduct to attend this year's meeting.
>>>>> I support to alloate $600 for Stephanie.
>>>>> Thanks very much.
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 10:13:48 +0900
>>>>> To: milton at gatech.edu
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] FW: Proposal for travel support for trip to the
>>>>> INternational working group on data protection in telecommunications in
>>>>> Oslo April 2016
>>>>> CC: ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Milton,
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks for this.
>>>>> yes I do agree that we can agree with giving the support here with
>>>>> conditions. we have to be strategical about the support and be
>>>>> outcome-oriented. I think that the approach we discussed in our EC call
>>>>> (including CROPP slots)
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>> 2016-01-18 4:34 GMT+09:00 Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>:
>>>>>
>>>>> FYI.
>>>>>
>>>>> To me, this seems like a very cost-effective support. $600 for a high
>>>>> profile at an international meeting among data protection commissioners. We
>>>>> can attach certain conditions to Stephanie's support, such as a blog post
>>>>> or a report to the EC about new membership possibilities or
>>>>> opportunities/strategies for increasing our policy influence on this issue
>>>>> within ICANN.
>>>>>
>>>>> --MM
>>>>>
>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>> > From: Stephanie Perrin [mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca]
>>>>> > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 5:44 PM
>>>>> > To: rafik.dammak.ncsg at gmail.com; Mueller, Milton L <
>>>>> milton at gatech.edu>
>>>>> > Subject: Proposal for travel support for trip to the INternational
>>>>> working
>>>>> > group on data protection in telecommunications in Oslo April 2016
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Dear Executive Committee,
>>>>> > This is a proposal/request for travel support to attend the meeting
>>>>> of the
>>>>> > IWGDPT (aka the Berlin group) in Oslo, April 24-26 2016.  I have
>>>>> been asked
>>>>> > by the secretariat to write a paper for them on ICANN and privacy,
>>>>> and I of
>>>>> > course am delighted to do so.  I proposed to them the same deal that
>>>>> we
>>>>> > were able to arrange to cover my travel to Korea last April, and
>>>>> they have
>>>>> > agreed to cover my airfare, tentatively priced at around $860
>>>>> Canadian.  If
>>>>> > NCUC could cover my hotel, namely 3-4 nights at the conference
>>>>> hotel, I will
>>>>> > be able to attend.  Total costs should be around 588. for the hotel,
>>>>> so once
>>>>> > again NCUC got the lesser of the two expenses.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I attach the invitation letter with details of the meeting, and the
>>>>> registration
>>>>> > information for the hotel.  Since they have negotiated a special
>>>>> rate of 1295
>>>>> > Krone or $146.72 US , and Oslo is notoriously expensive, I would
>>>>> propose to
>>>>> > stay at that hotel where I can also lobby folks if the occasion
>>>>> arises.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Kind regards Stephanie Perrin
>>>>>
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>>> Farzaneh
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> Farzaneh
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