<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Hi Farazneh,<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-02-12 10:17 GMT+09:00 farzaneh badii <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Rafik,<div><br></div><div>OK, I now kind of understand. I don't disagree, but I still think Milton's suggestions to ask her for [<span style="font-size:12.8px">a report to the EC about new membership possibilities or opportunities/strategies for increasing our policy influence on this issue within ICANN] should be followed. More in spirit of transparency, I </span> think we should: </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>report is mandatory for any travel support , I don't think I dropped that requirements :) </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>inform our members about such opportunities ( that there is a limited budget for such requests) </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>yes sure, we should discuss if we should have some specific budget for that. I am not really fan of ad-hoc approach, we are flexible but not reckless </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>announce that Stephanie has received such travel support and the conference she is going to .</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>yes</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 12 February 2016 at 02:01, Rafik Dammak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Hi Farzaneh,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">this request is not an for outreach to get new members but to bring privacy experts and Data Protection Authority to get involved in the process and even intervene since they have the legitimacy to do so. NCUC had one success in term of lobbying when our outreach and contacts get the EU Article29 WG to send the letter to the board in 2013 about the RAA provisions (the board still trying to dodge and not responding clearly to that letter)</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Stephanie is going to that meeting to inform DPA about what is happening, since we have newly started RDS process and we need all possible allies to come. so the purpose fall under<font color="#ff0000"> </font><span style="font-size:12.8px"><font color="#ff0000">"opportunities/strategies for increasing our policy influence on this issue within ICANN". </font><font color="#000000">we will follow-up with her closely to make this effective and beneficial for NCUC.</font></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">the allocation will come from NCUC budget , we exceptionally allocate small amount when it is worthy to do so. that is why we need to work more in term of fund-seeking and explore possible areas for that.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">yes, in general we have the expectation that those supported by CROPP for example to mention NCUC, get contacts and do a serious outreach. we are not funding people to their own stuff, we don't have such luxury. that is quite clear.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">with comments I see in different discussions and threads with some level of confusion, I do see the need for a clear strategy, roadmap ,strategy listing goals and objectives so we can align them with the action we are doing. for example "influencing PDP regarding privacy" can be translated into actions like capacity building for newcomers to get involved in the process, funding NC experts to attend meeting, producing a position paper about whois issue, outreach to DPA and other related parties. I will be happy to work on that.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Such roadmap will also help us in term of selections, travel awarding, appointments but also expectations from of what we are doing.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Rafik </div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-02-12 4:22 GMT+09:00 farzaneh badii <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi<div><br></div><div>Which budget are we going to use to allocate funding to Stephanie? I agree with Rafik that it should be outcome oriented. As well as a blogpost as Milton suggested I think a report<span style="font-size:12.8px"> to"the </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">EC</span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> about new membership possibilities" or "opportunities/strategies for increasing our policy influence on this issue within ICANN", would be nice. But I would like to see a plan from Stephanie on how she is going to raise awareness about our work and who she potentially has in mind to approach and discuss NCUC with.</span></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Sometimes participants ( and I dont mean Stephanie in specific here) just go to conferences with no mention of NCUC - I think if they are funded by us they have an obligation to at least talk about NCUC and our work and show us results. ( whatever that maybe) </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">If this is not funding that requires her to do outreach for NCUC, then what is the objective of funding her travel? </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">I also am skeptical about the effectiveness of participation at the same conference every year which most of the times has the same group of participants . I also don't know what the objective is .... </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 11 February 2016 at 19:55, Rafik Dammak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Hi,</p>
<p dir="ltr">Back to this, is there any objection to this decision: 600$ to attend privacy conference.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Best,</p>
<p dir="ltr">Rafik </p><div><div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 19, 2016 10:43 AM, "PeterGreen" <<a href="mailto:seekcommunications@hotmail.com" target="_blank">seekcommunications@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div dir="ltr">Hi Rafik, Milton, EC members,<div><br></div><div>I recall that it was in last April that Stephanie attened the same meeting which was held in Seoul. So it would make it a consecutive and productive conduct to attend this year's meeting.</div><div><span style="font-size:12pt">I support to alloate $600 for Stephanie.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt">Thanks very much.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt">Best</span></div><div>Peter <br><div><br><div><hr>From: <a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a><br>Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 10:13:48 +0900<br>To: <a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a><br>Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] FW: Proposal for travel support for trip to the INternational working group on data protection in telecommunications in Oslo April 2016<br>CC: <a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a><br><br><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Milton,</div><div><br></div><div>thanks for this.</div><div>yes I do agree that we can agree with giving the support here with conditions. we have to be strategical about the support and be outcome-oriented. I think that the approach we discussed in our EC call (including CROPP slots)<br>
<br>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik</div><div><br><div>2016-01-18 4:34 GMT+09:00 Mueller, Milton L <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>></span>:<br><blockquote style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">FYI.<br>
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To me, this seems like a very cost-effective support. $600 for a high profile at an international meeting among data protection commissioners. We can attach certain conditions to Stephanie's support, such as a blog post or a report to the EC about new membership possibilities or opportunities/strategies for increasing our policy influence on this issue within ICANN.<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Stephanie Perrin [mailto:<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>]<br>
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 5:44 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:rafik.dammak.ncsg@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak.ncsg@gmail.com</a>; Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>><br>
> Subject: Proposal for travel support for trip to the INternational working<br>
> group on data protection in telecommunications in Oslo April 2016<br>
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</span><div><div>> Dear Executive Committee,<br>
> This is a proposal/request for travel support to attend the meeting of the<br>
> IWGDPT (aka the Berlin group) in Oslo, April 24-26 2016. I have been asked<br>
> by the secretariat to write a paper for them on ICANN and privacy, and I of<br>
> course am delighted to do so. I proposed to them the same deal that we<br>
> were able to arrange to cover my travel to Korea last April, and they have<br>
> agreed to cover my airfare, tentatively priced at around $860 Canadian. If<br>
> NCUC could cover my hotel, namely 3-4 nights at the conference hotel, I will<br>
> be able to attend. Total costs should be around 588. for the hotel, so once<br>
> again NCUC got the lesser of the two expenses.<br>
><br>
> I attach the invitation letter with details of the meeting, and the registration<br>
> information for the hotel. Since they have negotiated a special rate of 1295<br>
> Krone or $146.72 US , and Oslo is notoriously expensive, I would propose to<br>
> stay at that hotel where I can also lobby folks if the occasion arises.<br>
><br>
> Kind regards Stephanie Perrin<br>
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