[NCUC-EC] FW: Proposal for travel support for trip to the INternational working group on data protection in telecommunications in Oslo April 2016

Mon Feb 15 00:34:54 CET 2016

Hi,

looking forward to hear from other EC members.

Best,

Rafik

2016-02-12 10:29 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:

> Hi Farazneh,
>
> 2016-02-12 10:17 GMT+09:00 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi Rafik,
>>
>> OK, I now kind of understand. I don't disagree,   but I  still think
>> Milton's suggestions to ask her for  [a report to the EC about new
>> membership possibilities or opportunities/strategies for increasing our
>> policy influence on this issue within ICANN] should be followed. More in
>> spirit of transparency, I  think we should:
>>
>
> report is mandatory for any travel support , I don't think I dropped that
> requirements :)
>
>>
>> inform our members about such opportunities ( that there is a limited
>> budget for such requests)
>>
>
> yes sure, we should discuss if we should have some specific budget for
> that. I am not really fan of ad-hoc approach, we are flexible but not
> reckless
>
>>
>> announce that Stephanie has received such travel support and the
>> conference she is going to .
>>
>
> yes
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>>
>>
>> On 12 February 2016 at 02:01, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>
>>>
>>> this request is not an for outreach to get new members  but to bring
>>> privacy experts and Data Protection Authority to get involved in the
>>> process and even intervene since they have the legitimacy to do so. NCUC
>>> had one success in term of lobbying when our outreach and contacts get the
>>> EU Article29 WG to send the letter to the board in 2013 about the RAA
>>> provisions (the board still trying to dodge and not responding clearly to
>>> that letter)
>>>
>>> Stephanie is going to that meeting to inform DPA about what is
>>> happening, since we have newly started RDS process and we need all possible
>>> allies to come. so the purpose fall under "opportunities/strategies for
>>> increasing our policy influence on this issue within ICANN". we will
>>> follow-up with her closely to make this effective and beneficial for NCUC.
>>>
>>> the allocation will come from NCUC budget , we exceptionally allocate
>>> small amount when it is worthy to do so. that is why we need to work more
>>> in term of fund-seeking and explore possible areas for that.
>>>
>>> yes, in general we have the expectation that those supported by CROPP
>>> for example to mention NCUC, get contacts and do a serious outreach. we are
>>> not funding people to their own stuff, we don't have such luxury. that is
>>> quite clear.
>>>
>>> with comments I see in different discussions and threads with some level
>>> of confusion, I do see the need for a clear strategy, roadmap ,strategy
>>> listing goals and objectives so we can align them with the action we are
>>> doing. for example "influencing PDP regarding privacy" can be translated
>>>  into actions like capacity building for newcomers to get involved in the
>>> process, funding NC experts to attend meeting, producing a position paper
>>> about whois issue, outreach to DPA and other related parties. I will be
>>> happy to work on that.
>>>
>>> Such roadmap will also help us in term of selections, travel awarding,
>>> appointments but also expectations from of what we are doing.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2016-02-12 4:22 GMT+09:00 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> Which budget are we going to use to allocate funding to Stephanie?  I
>>>> agree with Rafik that it should be outcome oriented. As well as a blogpost
>>>> as Milton suggested I think a report to"the EC about new membership
>>>> possibilities" or "opportunities/strategies for increasing our policy
>>>> influence on this issue within ICANN", would be nice. But I would like to
>>>> see a plan from Stephanie on how she is going to raise awareness about our
>>>> work and who she potentially has in mind to approach and discuss NCUC with.
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes participants ( and I dont mean Stephanie in specific here)
>>>> just go to conferences with no mention of NCUC - I think if they are funded
>>>> by us they have an obligation to at least talk about NCUC  and our work and
>>>> show us results. ( whatever that maybe)
>>>>
>>>> If this is not funding that requires her to do outreach for NCUC, then
>>>> what is the objective of funding her travel?
>>>>
>>>> I also am skeptical about the effectiveness of participation at the
>>>> same conference every year which most of the times has the same group of
>>>> participants . I also don't know what the objective is ....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11 February 2016 at 19:55, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Back to this, is there any objection to this decision: 600$ to attend
>>>>> privacy conference.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>> On Jan 19, 2016 10:43 AM, "PeterGreen" <seekcommunications at hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Rafik, Milton, EC members,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I recall that it was in last April that Stephanie attened the same
>>>>>> meeting which was held in Seoul. So it would make it a consecutive and
>>>>>> productive conduct to attend this year's meeting.
>>>>>> I support to alloate $600 for Stephanie.
>>>>>> Thanks very much.
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 10:13:48 +0900
>>>>>> To: milton at gatech.edu
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] FW: Proposal for travel support for trip to
>>>>>> the INternational working group on data protection in telecommunications in
>>>>>> Oslo April 2016
>>>>>> CC: ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Milton,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks for this.
>>>>>> yes I do agree that we can agree with giving the support here with
>>>>>> conditions. we have to be strategical about the support and be
>>>>>> outcome-oriented. I think that the approach we discussed in our EC call
>>>>>> (including CROPP slots)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2016-01-18 4:34 GMT+09:00 Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FYI.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To me, this seems like a very cost-effective support. $600 for a high
>>>>>> profile at an international meeting among data protection commissioners. We
>>>>>> can attach certain conditions to Stephanie's support, such as a blog post
>>>>>> or a report to the EC about new membership possibilities or
>>>>>> opportunities/strategies for increasing our policy influence on this issue
>>>>>> within ICANN.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --MM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> > From: Stephanie Perrin [mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca]
>>>>>> > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 5:44 PM
>>>>>> > To: rafik.dammak.ncsg at gmail.com; Mueller, Milton L <
>>>>>> milton at gatech.edu>
>>>>>> > Subject: Proposal for travel support for trip to the INternational
>>>>>> working
>>>>>> > group on data protection in telecommunications in Oslo April 2016
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Dear Executive Committee,
>>>>>> > This is a proposal/request for travel support to attend the meeting
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> > IWGDPT (aka the Berlin group) in Oslo, April 24-26 2016.  I have
>>>>>> been asked
>>>>>> > by the secretariat to write a paper for them on ICANN and privacy,
>>>>>> and I of
>>>>>> > course am delighted to do so.  I proposed to them the same deal
>>>>>> that we
>>>>>> > were able to arrange to cover my travel to Korea last April, and
>>>>>> they have
>>>>>> > agreed to cover my airfare, tentatively priced at around $860
>>>>>> Canadian.  If
>>>>>> > NCUC could cover my hotel, namely 3-4 nights at the conference
>>>>>> hotel, I will
>>>>>> > be able to attend.  Total costs should be around 588. for the
>>>>>> hotel, so once
>>>>>> > again NCUC got the lesser of the two expenses.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I attach the invitation letter with details of the meeting, and the
>>>>>> registration
>>>>>> > information for the hotel.  Since they have negotiated a special
>>>>>> rate of 1295
>>>>>> > Krone or $146.72 US , and Oslo is notoriously expensive, I would
>>>>>> propose to
>>>>>> > stay at that hotel where I can also lobby folks if the occasion
>>>>>> arises.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Kind regards Stephanie Perrin
>>>>>>
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>>>> --
>>>> Farzaneh
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>> Farzaneh
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