[NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS outreach meeting in DC Wed. 13 January
Avri Doria
avri at acm.org
Mon Dec 22 16:14:50 CET 2014
Hi,
I am fine with being responsble for an issue. IANA seems appropriate
for me.
I am still uncertain what the schedule requirements for this are. And
whether they will support the extra night in the hotel for someone who
can get home on a 10PM flight the night before. the invite does not say
they will.
avri
On 22-Dec-14 10:04, William Drake wrote:
> Hi from Chicago
>
>>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu
>>> <mailto:mueller at syr.edu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Let’s invite L. Gordon Crovitch ;-)
>>> I’d like to get my hands on him….
>
> Personally, politics aside, I’d prefer to steer clear of anyone who
> has his minions produce a self-important Wikipedia entry.
>
> I’ve received several concrete suggestions of names but could use
> more, with affiliations and email addresses please. After we get our
> travel details sorted and over the holiday hump I’ll send back a
> proposed invite list and letter that staff can blast out like ten days
> before the meeting.
>
> In terms of content, again I’d suggest skipping the what is ICANN org
> chart thing and go straight to the distributed presentation of 3
> minute issue intros connecting our issues with stuff folks there might
> care about, followed by open conversation. A priori I’d expect a more
> focused and substantive discussion than what we managed in London and
> LA if we manage to herd in a bunch of beltway policy wonks.
>
> What do you folks think we should cover, and who’d be interested in
> taking which piece? Would this be a good starting point? Topics to
> add? In total I don’t think we should talk ‘at’ them for more than 30
> minutes if that before going to discussion, if we got even a third of
> the names on last year’s Fadi list I suspect we’d have robust
> engagement from visitors...
>
> 1. IANA (Avri?)
> 2. Accountability (Matt?)
> 3. Human rights generally (Marilia?)
> 4. Privacy (Stephanie?)
> 5. FoE & 'Internet freedom’ as locals call it (Walid?)
> 6. Access to knowledge/IPR/trademark (Kathy?)
> 7. Development (Rafik?)
> 8. IG generally, NMI, etc (Bill?)
>
>
> Matt, any news on whether CDT’s office would be available like 10am -
> noon on Wed. 14th? What staff have lined up for us now is a room
> at Wiley Rein that sits about 20-24 people, so a) we’d definitely need
> to cull the invite list and b) this would be in a rather odd
> environment for a CS meeting….
>
> Happy holidays, as applicable.
>
> Bill
>
>> *From:* Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 22, 2014 7:14 AM
>> *To:* William Drake
>> *Cc:* Milton L Mueller; Matt Shears; Walid AL-SAQAF; Marilia Maciel;
>> Exec. Comm; Stephanie Perrin; Amr Elsadr; Edward Morris; Avri Doria;
>> Kathy Kleiman; Joy Liddicoat; David Cake
>> *Subject:* Re: [NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS outreach
>> meeting in DC Wed. 13 January
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I guess the list will be shrinked somehow :) I don't think we can
>> consider ISOC as civil society for example. we can try to invite
>> those folks (anyway nobody talked about inviting CP80 anyway) and see
>> if they can confirm their attendance. even if we don't expect CFR,
>> heritage or Hudson to join us, at least we can let them and others
>> know there is already group of CS people involved for years in ICANN
>> and having expertise. just recall the letter sent about IANA
>> transition
>> (http://oti.newamerica.net/blogposts/2014/oti_sends_letter_to_congress_on_the_dotcom_bill_and_the_iana_transition-107726)
>>
>> as names , Joy suggested to check with APC members in USA, Kathy
>> suggested Rebecca recommendations (and she wrote about NCUC before) .
>> I can suggest Susan Aaronson .
>>
>> we have 3 weeks before this meeting and I would expect us to have
>> some points to present to those folks.
>> what would interest DC folks?
>>
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2014-12-16 17:47 GMT+09:00 William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch
>> <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>:
>>
>> Hi Milton
>>
>> Thanks for the input, sorry you’re shocked. As I said, we’re
>> unlikely to be able fit all the all the people below in the room
>> with us, and people are providing other names as well. So I was
>> suggesting we prioritize and invite in tranches, in which case
>> I’d think we’d start with people who might conceivably be open to
>> getting involved with us, which is sort of the purpose of an
>> outreach meeting. But I don’t care enough either way to debate
>> it with you, so we could instead invite broadly and whoever RSVPs
>> first and gets into the room, that’s who we have. Send any names
>> you like from Cato, Heritage, CP80, House Republican staff,
>> whatever, and I’ll pass their details to ICANN for the invite blast.
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:58 PM, Milton L Mueller
>> <mueller at syr.edu <mailto:mueller at syr.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> Bill.
>> It’s really wrong and even shocking for you to suggest
>> dropping people from the list because you don’t like their
>> ideology. I don’t see anyone on that list who doesn’t share
>> some core values of NCUC regarding internet freedom.
>> Either we are the noncommercial stakeholders group or we are
>> something else. If the people involved are involved in
>> nonprofit advocacy groups and are eligible for NCUC
>> membership they should be invited, full stop.
>>
>> --MM
>>
>> *From:* ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org
>> <mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org> [mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *William Drake
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 15, 2014 9:20 AM
>> *To:* Exec. Comm
>> *Cc:* Matt Shears; Marilia Maciel; Stephanie Perrin; Amr
>> Elsadr; Avri Doria; Edward Morris; Kathy Kleiman; Joy
>> Liddicoat; David Cake
>> *Subject:* [NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS outreach
>> meeting in DC Wed. 13 January
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> As we’ve discussed, there will be an NCUC civil society
>> outreach meeting in DC the morning of Wed. 14 January, after
>> the NCPH meeting. Probably we’ll do 10-1pm, we’ll see.
>> Think it will be in some law office, the ICANN office is not
>> available. More on that later.
>>
>> Again, for the covered travelers, if you cannot get an
>> afternoon or evening flight out on the 14th, ICANN will cover
>> your hotel that night. Once Constituency Travel starts to
>> get in touch on this and you’ve worked out your itinerary,
>> please let me and Rob Hoggarth know if you will be needing
>> hotel for that night.
>>
>> I’d like to do something similar to what we tried at the LA
>> outreach meeting, but better—have a number of people teed up
>> to speak 3 minutes each on some of the issues we work on,
>> hold all Q&A until the end and then go to an integrative
>> freewheeling discussion. Since the folks we will be inviting
>> are generally pretty up to speed beltway mavens, we won’t
>> need to do a lot of what is ICANN introductory nonsense…just
>> get to what we’re doing and then have discussion and say if
>> you’re into knowing more or maybe even joining please be in
>> touch. We’ll sort this out going forward.
>>
>> Below is the list of people that the ICANN DC office invited
>> to meet with Fadi when he was in DC in January for the State
>> of the Net Conference. A number of these it’d be good to
>> invite again, but some I’d drop, e.g. people from
>> conservative think tanks and such who neither share our views
>> nor are going to get involved with us. I don’t know exactly
>> how many bodies the room we’ll have can accommodate, am
>> waiting for an answer on that from Rob and Chris, but am
>> guessing we’d want a mix like a dozen of us and two dozen
>> external folks?
>>
>> Depending on the numbers, we may not be able to accommodate
>> all the bodies we can name, or might have to do it in waves,
>> i.e. invite a first tranche and if some say no then invite
>> others. We’ll figure it out. What I want to know now is,
>> are there DC public interest activists and friendly analysts
>> you can think of who are not listed and might conceivably be
>> interested in meeting with us to hear what we’re into etc?
>> If so, please send me their names, affiliations and email
>> addresses to fold into the list, and then we’ll sort out
>> later who’s in our first tranche etc.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> 1. Brigner Paul Internet Society
>> (ISOC) Regional Director North America Bureau
>> 2. Solomon Brett Access Executive Director
>> 3. Kimmelman Gene Public Knowledge President
>> 4. Beach Tim Georgetown Director, Program in
>> Science, Technology, and International Affairs
>> 5. Hoffman Lance George Washington Director,
>> Computer Science Department
>> 6. Zaychenko Elizaveta American Enterprise
>> Institute Tech Policy Intern
>> 7. Eisenach Jeffrey American Enterprise
>> Institute Director, Center for Internet, Communications,
>> and Technology Policy
>> 8. Nojeim Gregory Center for Democracy and
>> Technology Director, Project on Freedom,
>> Security & Technology
>> 9. Lewis James Center for Strategic and International
>> Studies Director and Senior Fellow, Strategic
>> Technologies Program
>> 10. DeNardis Laura American University Professor,
>> School of Communications
>> 11. Lordan Tim Internet Education
>> Foundation Executive Director
>> 12. Burger Eric Georgetown Research
>> Professor of Computer Science and Director, Georgetown
>> Center for Secure Communications
>> 13. Dourado Eli George Mason Research Fellow,
>> Tech Policy, Mercatus Center, George Mason Univ.
>> 14. Levin Blair Aspen Institute Fellow, Aspen
>> Institute
>> 15. Atkinson Robert ITIF President, ITIF
>> 16. Brown Kathryn ISOC CEO, ISOC
>> 17. Kornbluh Karen CFR Senior Fellow for Digital Policy
>> 18. West Darrell Brookings Vice President and
>> Director, Governance Studies; Founding Director, Center
>> for Technology Innovation
>> 19. O'Connor Nuala CDT President & CEO
>> 20. McDowell Robert Hudson Institute Visiting
>> Fellow (and 5th panel member)
>> 21. Lenard Thomas Technology Policy
>> Institute President
>> 22. Maciel Marilia Center for Technology and
>> Society, Getulio Vargas Foundation Project
>> Leader/Researcher/Assistant Professor of IP Law
>> 23. Tim Maurer Open Technology Institute
>> 24. Kehl Danielle New America Foundation
>> 25. Sascha Meinrath New America
>> Foundation
>> 26. Holmes Wilson Fight for the Future
>> 27. Pedro Abramovay Open Society
>> Foundations
>> 28. Yeh Jennifer Free Press Policy Counsel
>> 29. Craig Aaron Free Press
>> 30. Matt Wood Free Press
>> 31. Rebecca MacKinnon New America and GNI
>> 32. Catalina Botero OAS Special
>> Rappourter
>> 33. Kilic Burcu Public Citizen
>> 34. Cerda Alberto Derechos Digitales and
>> Georgetown Univ.
>> 35. Daniel Weitzner MIT
>> 36. Vasdev Samhir World Bank Innovation and
>> Design Consultant, Open Technology Alliance
>> 37. Pohl Rachel Aspen Institute
>> 38. Rossini Carolina Public Knowledge
>>
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