[NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS outreach meeting in DC Wed. 13 January

Avri Doria avri at acm.org
Mon Dec 22 16:14:50 CET 2014


Hi,

I am fine with being responsble for an issue.  IANA seems appropriate
for me.

I am still uncertain what the schedule requirements for this are.  And
whether they will support the extra night in the hotel for someone who
can get home on a 10PM flight the night before.  the invite does not say
they will.

avri



On 22-Dec-14 10:04, William Drake wrote:
> Hi from Chicago
>
>>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu
>>> <mailto:mueller at syr.edu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Let’s invite L. Gordon Crovitch ;-)
>>> I’d like to get my hands on him….
>
> Personally, politics aside, I’d prefer to steer clear of anyone who
> has his minions produce a self-important Wikipedia entry.
>
> I’ve received several concrete suggestions of names but could use
> more, with affiliations and email addresses please. After we get our
> travel details sorted and over the holiday hump I’ll send back a
> proposed invite list and letter that staff can blast out like ten days
> before the meeting.
>
> In terms of content, again I’d suggest skipping the what is ICANN org
> chart thing and go straight to the distributed presentation of 3
> minute issue intros connecting our issues with stuff folks there might
> care about, followed by open conversation.  A priori I’d expect a more
> focused and substantive discussion than what we managed in London and
> LA if we manage to herd in a bunch of beltway policy wonks.
>
> What do you folks think we should cover, and who’d be interested in
> taking which piece?  Would this be a good starting point?  Topics to
> add?  In total I don’t think we should talk ‘at’ them for more than 30
> minutes if that before going to discussion, if we got even a third of
> the names on last year’s Fadi list I suspect we’d have robust
> engagement from visitors...
>
>  1. IANA (Avri?)
>  2. Accountability (Matt?)
>  3. Human rights generally (Marilia?)
>  4. Privacy (Stephanie?)
>  5. FoE & 'Internet freedom’ as locals call it (Walid?)
>  6. Access to knowledge/IPR/trademark (Kathy?)
>  7. Development (Rafik?)
>  8. IG generally, NMI, etc (Bill?)
>
>
> Matt, any news on whether CDT’s office would be available like 10am -
> noon on Wed. 14th?  What staff have lined up for us now is a room
> at Wiley Rein that sits about 20-24 people, so a) we’d definitely need
> to cull the invite list and b) this would be in a rather odd
> environment for a CS meeting….
>
> Happy holidays, as applicable.
>
> Bill
>
>> *From:* Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com] 
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 22, 2014 7:14 AM
>> *To:* William Drake
>> *Cc:* Milton L Mueller; Matt Shears; Walid AL-SAQAF; Marilia Maciel;
>> Exec. Comm; Stephanie Perrin; Amr Elsadr; Edward Morris; Avri Doria;
>> Kathy Kleiman; Joy Liddicoat; David Cake
>> *Subject:* Re: [NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS outreach
>> meeting in DC Wed. 13 January
>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> I guess the list will be shrinked somehow :) I don't think we can
>> consider ISOC as civil society for example. we can try to invite
>> those folks (anyway nobody talked about inviting CP80 anyway) and see
>> if they can confirm their attendance. even if we don't expect CFR,
>> heritage or  Hudson to join us, at least we can let them and others
>> know there is already group of CS people involved for years in ICANN
>> and having expertise. just recall the letter sent about IANA
>> transition
>> (http://oti.newamerica.net/blogposts/2014/oti_sends_letter_to_congress_on_the_dotcom_bill_and_the_iana_transition-107726)
>>  
>> as names , Joy suggested to check with APC members in USA, Kathy
>> suggested Rebecca recommendations (and she wrote about NCUC before) .
>> I can suggest Susan Aaronson .
>>  
>> we have 3 weeks before this meeting and I would expect us to have
>> some points to present to those folks.
>> what would interest DC folks?
>>  
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2014-12-16 17:47 GMT+09:00 William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch
>> <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>:
>>
>>     Hi Milton
>>      
>>     Thanks for the input, sorry you’re shocked. As I said, we’re
>>     unlikely to be able fit all the all the people below in the room
>>     with us, and people are providing other names as well.  So I was
>>     suggesting we prioritize and invite in tranches, in which case
>>     I’d think we’d start with people who might conceivably be open to
>>     getting involved with us, which is sort of the purpose of an
>>     outreach meeting.  But I don’t care enough either way to debate
>>     it with you, so we could instead invite broadly and whoever RSVPs
>>     first and gets into the room, that’s who we have.  Send any names
>>     you like from Cato, Heritage, CP80, House Republican staff,
>>     whatever, and I’ll pass their details to ICANN for the invite blast.
>>      
>>
>>     Bill
>>
>>         On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:58 PM, Milton L Mueller
>>         <mueller at syr.edu <mailto:mueller at syr.edu>> wrote:
>>          
>>         Bill.
>>         It’s really wrong and even shocking for you to suggest
>>         dropping people from the list because you don’t like their
>>         ideology. I don’t see anyone on that list who doesn’t share
>>         some core values of NCUC regarding internet freedom.
>>         Either we are the noncommercial stakeholders group or we are
>>         something else. If the people involved are involved in
>>         nonprofit advocacy groups and are eligible for NCUC
>>         membership they should be invited, full stop.
>>          
>>         --MM
>>          
>>         *From:* ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org
>>         <mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org> [mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org] *On
>>         Behalf Of *William Drake
>>         *Sent:* Monday, December 15, 2014 9:20 AM
>>         *To:* Exec. Comm
>>         *Cc:* Matt Shears; Marilia Maciel; Stephanie Perrin; Amr
>>         Elsadr; Avri Doria; Edward Morris; Kathy Kleiman; Joy
>>         Liddicoat; David Cake
>>         *Subject:* [NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS outreach
>>         meeting in DC Wed. 13 January
>>          
>>         Hello
>>          
>>         As we’ve discussed, there will be an NCUC civil society
>>         outreach meeting in DC the morning of Wed. 14 January, after
>>         the NCPH meeting.  Probably we’ll do 10-1pm, we’ll see. 
>>         Think it will be in some law office, the ICANN office is not
>>         available. More on that later.  
>>          
>>         Again, for the covered travelers, if you cannot get an
>>         afternoon or evening flight out on the 14th, ICANN will cover
>>         your hotel that night.  Once Constituency Travel starts to
>>         get in touch on this and you’ve worked out your itinerary,
>>         please let me and Rob Hoggarth know if you will be needing
>>         hotel for that night.
>>          
>>         I’d like to do something similar to what we tried at the LA
>>         outreach meeting, but better—have a number of people teed up
>>         to speak 3 minutes each on some of the issues we work on,
>>         hold all Q&A until the end and then go to an integrative
>>         freewheeling discussion.  Since the folks we will be inviting
>>         are generally pretty up to speed beltway mavens, we won’t
>>         need to do a lot of what is ICANN introductory nonsense…just
>>         get to what we’re doing and then have discussion and say if
>>         you’re into knowing more or maybe even joining please be in
>>         touch.  We’ll sort this out going forward.
>>          
>>         Below is the list of people that the ICANN DC office invited
>>         to meet with Fadi when he was in DC in January for the State
>>         of the Net Conference.  A number of these it’d be good to
>>         invite again, but some I’d drop, e.g. people from
>>         conservative think tanks and such who neither share our views
>>         nor are going to get involved with us.  I don’t know exactly
>>         how many bodies the room we’ll have can accommodate, am
>>         waiting for an answer on that from Rob and Chris, but am
>>         guessing we’d want a mix like a dozen of us and two dozen
>>         external folks?
>>          
>>         Depending on the numbers, we may not be able to accommodate
>>         all the bodies we can name, or might have to do it in waves,
>>         i.e. invite a first tranche and if some say no then invite
>>         others.  We’ll figure it out.  What I want to know now is,
>>         are there DC public interest activists and friendly analysts
>>         you can think of who are not listed and might conceivably be
>>         interested in meeting with us to hear what we’re into etc? 
>>         If so, please send me their names, affiliations and email
>>         addresses to fold into the list, and then we’ll sort out
>>         later who’s in our first tranche etc.
>>          
>>         Thanks
>>          
>>         Bill
>>          
>>
>>          1. Brigner            Paul     Internet Society
>>             (ISOC)         Regional Director North America Bureau
>>          2. Solomon          Brett    Access Executive Director
>>          3. Kimmelman     Gene    Public Knowledge      President
>>          4. Beach  Tim      Georgetown    Director, Program in
>>             Science, Technology, and International Affairs
>>          5. Hoffman         Lance  George Washington    Director,
>>             Computer Science Department
>>          6. Zaychenko      Elizaveta         American Enterprise
>>             Institute Tech Policy Intern
>>          7. Eisenach          Jeffrey American Enterprise
>>             Institute Director, Center for Internet, Communications,
>>             and Technology Policy
>>          8. Nojeim Gregory           Center for Democracy and
>>             Technology          Director, Project on Freedom,
>>             Security & Technology
>>          9. Lewis  James   Center for Strategic and International
>>             Studies           Director and Senior Fellow, Strategic
>>             Technologies Program
>>         10. DeNardis       Laura   American University   Professor,
>>             School of Communications
>>         11. Lordan           Tim      Internet Education
>>             Foundation          Executive Director
>>         12. Burger           Eric      Georgetown    Research
>>             Professor of Computer Science and Director, Georgetown
>>             Center for Secure Communications
>>         13. Dourado        Eli        George Mason Research Fellow,
>>             Tech Policy, Mercatus Center, George Mason Univ. 
>>         14. Levin Blair    Aspen Institute           Fellow, Aspen
>>             Institute
>>         15. Atkinson        Robert ITIF     President, ITIF
>>         16. Brown           Kathryn           ISOC   CEO, ISOC
>>         17. Kornbluh       Karen  CFR    Senior Fellow for Digital Policy
>>         18. West  Darrell Brookings        Vice President and
>>             Director, Governance Studies; Founding Director, Center
>>             for Technology Innovation 
>>         19. O'Connor       Nuala   CDT    President & CEO
>>         20. McDowell     Robert Hudson Institute         Visiting
>>             Fellow (and 5th panel member)
>>         21. Lenard           Thomas            Technology Policy
>>             Institute    President
>>         22. Maciel            Marilia Center for Technology and
>>             Society, Getulio Vargas Foundation      Project
>>             Leader/Researcher/Assistant Professor of IP Law
>>         23. Tim Maurer                Open Technology Institute      
>>         24. Kehl   Danielle           New America Foundation       
>>         25. Sascha Meinrath                    New America
>>             Foundation       
>>         26. Holmes Wilson                      Fight for the Future     
>>         27. Pedro Abramovay                 Open Society
>>             Foundations      
>>         28. Yeh    Jennifer           Free Press        Policy Counsel
>>         29. Craig Aaron               Free Press         
>>         30. Matt Wood                Free Press         
>>         31. Rebecca MacKinnon             New America and GNI           
>>         32. Catalina Botero                     OAS Special
>>             Rappourter         
>>         33. Kilic   Burcu  Public Citizen   
>>         34. Cerda Alberto            Derechos Digitales and
>>             Georgetown Univ.     
>>         35. Daniel Weitzner                    MIT      
>>         36. Vasdev          Samhir World Bank    Innovation and
>>             Design Consultant, Open Technology Alliance
>>         37. Pohl   Rachel Aspen Institute            
>>         38. Rossini           Carolina           Public Knowledge     
>>
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