[NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS outreach meeting in DC Wed. 13 January
Stephanie Perrin
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Mon Dec 22 16:18:56 CET 2014
Does anyone know what the schedule looks like for the three days? Before
i book my flights, trying to figure out a night for dinner with pals.
Nothing happens SUnday night, correct?
cheers steph
On 2014-12-22, 10:14, Avri Doria wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am fine with being responsble for an issue. IANA seems appropriate
> for me.
>
> I am still uncertain what the schedule requirements for this are. And
> whether they will support the extra night in the hotel for someone who
> can get home on a 10PM flight the night before. the invite does not
> say they will.
>
> avri
>
>
>
> On 22-Dec-14 10:04, William Drake wrote:
>> Hi from Chicago
>>
>>>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu
>>>> <mailto:mueller at syr.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let’s invite L. Gordon Crovitch ;-)
>>>> I’d like to get my hands on him….
>>
>> Personally, politics aside, I’d prefer to steer clear of anyone who
>> has his minions produce a self-important Wikipedia entry.
>>
>> I’ve received several concrete suggestions of names but could use
>> more, with affiliations and email addresses please. After we get our
>> travel details sorted and over the holiday hump I’ll send back a
>> proposed invite list and letter that staff can blast out like ten
>> days before the meeting.
>>
>> In terms of content, again I’d suggest skipping the what is ICANN org
>> chart thing and go straight to the distributed presentation of 3
>> minute issue intros connecting our issues with stuff folks there
>> might care about, followed by open conversation. A priori I’d expect
>> a more focused and substantive discussion than what we managed in
>> London and LA if we manage to herd in a bunch of beltway policy wonks.
>>
>> What do you folks think we should cover, and who’d be interested in
>> taking which piece? Would this be a good starting point? Topics to
>> add? In total I don’t think we should talk ‘at’ them for more than
>> 30 minutes if that before going to discussion, if we got even a third
>> of the names on last year’s Fadi list I suspect we’d have robust
>> engagement from visitors...
>>
>> 1. IANA (Avri?)
>> 2. Accountability (Matt?)
>> 3. Human rights generally (Marilia?)
>> 4. Privacy (Stephanie?)
>> 5. FoE & 'Internet freedom’ as locals call it (Walid?)
>> 6. Access to knowledge/IPR/trademark (Kathy?)
>> 7. Development (Rafik?)
>> 8. IG generally, NMI, etc (Bill?)
>>
>>
>> Matt, any news on whether CDT’s office would be available like 10am -
>> noon on Wed. 14th? What staff have lined up for us now is a room
>> at Wiley Rein that sits about 20-24 people, so a) we’d definitely
>> need to cull the invite list and b) this would be in a rather odd
>> environment for a CS meeting….
>>
>> Happy holidays, as applicable.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>> *From:*Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:*Monday, December 22, 2014 7:14 AM
>>> *To:*William Drake
>>> *Cc:*Milton L Mueller; Matt Shears; Walid AL-SAQAF; Marilia Maciel;
>>> Exec. Comm; Stephanie Perrin; Amr Elsadr; Edward Morris; Avri Doria;
>>> Kathy Kleiman; Joy Liddicoat; David Cake
>>> *Subject:*Re: [NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS outreach
>>> meeting in DC Wed. 13 January
>>> Hi,
>>> I guess the list will be shrinked somehow :) I don't think we can
>>> consider ISOC as civil society for example. we can try to invite
>>> those folks (anyway nobody talked about inviting CP80 anyway) and
>>> see if they can confirm their attendance. even if we don't expect
>>> CFR, heritage or Hudson to join us, at least we can let them and
>>> others know there is already group of CS people involved for years
>>> in ICANN and having expertise. just recall the letter sent about
>>> IANA transition
>>> (http://oti.newamerica.net/blogposts/2014/oti_sends_letter_to_congress_on_the_dotcom_bill_and_the_iana_transition-107726)
>>> as names , Joy suggested to check with APC members in USA, Kathy
>>> suggested Rebecca recommendations (and she wrote about NCUC before)
>>> . I can suggest Susan Aaronson .
>>> we have 3 weeks before this meeting and I would expect us to have
>>> some points to present to those folks.
>>> what would interest DC folks?
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2014-12-16 17:47 GMT+09:00 William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch
>>> <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>:
>>>
>>> Hi Milton
>>> Thanks for the input, sorry you’re shocked. As I said, we’re
>>> unlikely to be able fit all the all the people below in the room
>>> with us, and people are providing other names as well. So I was
>>> suggesting we prioritize and invite in tranches, in which case
>>> I’d think we’d start with people who might conceivably be open
>>> to getting involved with us, which is sort of the purpose of an
>>> outreach meeting. But I don’t care enough either way to debate
>>> it with you, so we could instead invite broadly and whoever
>>> RSVPs first and gets into the room, that’s who we have. Send
>>> any names you like from Cato, Heritage, CP80, House Republican
>>> staff, whatever, and I’ll pass their details to ICANN for the
>>> invite blast.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:58 PM, Milton L Mueller
>>> <mueller at syr.edu <mailto:mueller at syr.edu>> wrote:
>>> Bill.
>>> It’s really wrong and even shocking for you to suggest
>>> dropping people from the list because you don’t like their
>>> ideology. I don’t see anyone on that list who doesn’t share
>>> some core values of NCUC regarding internet freedom.
>>> Either we are the noncommercial stakeholders group or we are
>>> something else. If the people involved are involved in
>>> nonprofit advocacy groups and are eligible for NCUC
>>> membership they should be invited, full stop.
>>> --MM
>>> *From:*ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org
>>> <mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org> [mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org]
>>> *On Behalf Of *William Drake
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 15, 2014 9:20 AM
>>> *To:* Exec. Comm
>>> *Cc:* Matt Shears; Marilia Maciel; Stephanie Perrin; Amr
>>> Elsadr; Avri Doria; Edward Morris; Kathy Kleiman; Joy
>>> Liddicoat; David Cake
>>> *Subject:* [NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS outreach
>>> meeting in DC Wed. 13 January
>>> Hello
>>> As we’ve discussed, there will be an NCUC civil society
>>> outreach meeting in DC the morning of Wed. 14 January, after
>>> the NCPH meeting. Probably we’ll do 10-1pm, we’ll see.
>>> Think it will be in some law office, the ICANN office is not
>>> available. More on that later.
>>> Again, for the covered travelers, if you cannot get an
>>> afternoon or evening flight out on the 14th, ICANN will
>>> cover your hotel that night. Once Constituency Travel
>>> starts to get in touch on this and you’ve worked out your
>>> itinerary, please let me and Rob Hoggarth know if you will
>>> be needing hotel for that night.
>>> I’d like to do something similar to what we tried at the LA
>>> outreach meeting, but better—have a number of people teed up
>>> to speak 3 minutes each on some of the issues we work on,
>>> hold all Q&A until the end and then go to an integrative
>>> freewheeling discussion. Since the folks we will be inviting
>>> are generally pretty up to speed beltway mavens, we won’t
>>> need to do a lot of what is ICANN introductory nonsense…just
>>> get to what we’re doing and then have discussion and say if
>>> you’re into knowing more or maybe even joining please be in
>>> touch. We’ll sort this out going forward.
>>> Below is the list of people that the ICANN DC office invited
>>> to meet with Fadi when he was in DC in January for the State
>>> of the Net Conference. A number of these it’d be good to
>>> invite again, but some I’d drop, e.g. people from
>>> conservative think tanks and such who neither share our
>>> views nor are going to get involved with us. I don’t know
>>> exactly how many bodies the room we’ll have can accommodate,
>>> am waiting for an answer on that from Rob and Chris, but am
>>> guessing we’d want a mix like a dozen of us and two dozen
>>> external folks?
>>> Depending on the numbers, we may not be able to accommodate
>>> all the bodies we can name, or might have to do it in waves,
>>> i.e. invite a first tranche and if some say no then invite
>>> others. We’ll figure it out. What I want to know now is,
>>> are there DC public interest activists and friendly analysts
>>> you can think of who are not listed and might conceivably be
>>> interested in meeting with us to hear what we’re into etc?
>>> If so, please send me their names, affiliations and email
>>> addresses to fold into the list, and then we’ll sort out
>>> later who’s in our first tranche etc.
>>> Thanks
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> 1. Brigner Paul Internet Society
>>> (ISOC) Regional Director North America Bureau
>>> 2. Solomon Brett Access Executive Director
>>> 3. Kimmelman Gene Public Knowledge President
>>> 4. Beach Tim Georgetown Director, Program in
>>> Science, Technology, and International Affairs
>>> 5. Hoffman Lance George Washington Director,
>>> Computer Science Department
>>> 6. Zaychenko Elizaveta American Enterprise
>>> Institute Tech Policy Intern
>>> 7. Eisenach Jeffrey American Enterprise
>>> Institute Director, Center for Internet, Communications,
>>> and Technology Policy
>>> 8. Nojeim Gregory Center for Democracy and
>>> Technology Director, Project on Freedom,
>>> Security & Technology
>>> 9. Lewis James Center for Strategic and International
>>> Studies Director and Senior Fellow, Strategic
>>> Technologies Program
>>> 10. DeNardis Laura American University Professor,
>>> School of Communications
>>> 11. Lordan Tim Internet Education
>>> Foundation Executive Director
>>> 12. Burger Eric Georgetown Research
>>> Professor of Computer Science and Director, Georgetown
>>> Center for Secure Communications
>>> 13. Dourado Eli George Mason Research Fellow,
>>> Tech Policy, Mercatus Center, George Mason Univ.
>>> 14. Levin Blair Aspen Institute Fellow, Aspen
>>> Institute
>>> 15. Atkinson Robert ITIF President, ITIF
>>> 16. Brown Kathryn ISOC CEO, ISOC
>>> 17. Kornbluh Karen CFR Senior Fellow for Digital
>>> Policy
>>> 18. West Darrell Brookings Vice President and
>>> Director, Governance Studies; Founding Director, Center
>>> for Technology Innovation
>>> 19. O'Connor Nuala CDT President & CEO
>>> 20. McDowell Robert Hudson Institute Visiting
>>> Fellow (and 5th panel member)
>>> 21. Lenard Thomas Technology Policy
>>> Institute President
>>> 22. Maciel Marilia Center for Technology and
>>> Society, Getulio Vargas Foundation Project
>>> Leader/Researcher/Assistant Professor of IP Law
>>> 23. Tim Maurer Open Technology Institute
>>> 24. Kehl Danielle New America Foundation
>>> 25. Sascha Meinrath New America Foundation
>>> 26. Holmes Wilson Fight for the Future
>>> 27. Pedro Abramovay Open Society Foundations
>>> 28. Yeh Jennifer Free Press Policy Counsel
>>> 29. Craig Aaron Free Press
>>> 30. Matt Wood Free Press
>>> 31. Rebecca MacKinnon New America and GNI
>>> 32. Catalina Botero OAS Special Rappourter
>>> 33. Kilic Burcu Public Citizen
>>> 34. Cerda Alberto Derechos Digitales and
>>> Georgetown Univ.
>>> 35. Daniel Weitzner MIT
>>> 36. Vasdev Samhir World Bank Innovation and
>>> Design Consultant, Open Technology Alliance
>>> 37. Pohl Rachel Aspen Institute
>>> 38. Rossini Carolina Public Knowledge
>>>
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