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Hi,<br>
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I am fine with being responsble for an issue. IANA seems
appropriate for me.<br>
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I am still uncertain what the schedule requirements for this are.
And whether they will support the extra night in the hotel for
someone who can get home on a 10PM flight the night before. the
invite does not say they will.<br>
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avri<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22-Dec-14 10:04, William Drake
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Hi from Chicago
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<div class=""><span class="">Let’s invite L. Gordon
Crovitch ;-)</span></div>
<div class=""><span class="">I’d like to get my
hands on him….</span></div>
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<div class="">Personally, politics aside, I’d prefer to steer
clear of anyone who has his minions produce a self-important
Wikipedia entry.
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<div class="">I’ve received several concrete suggestions of
names but could use more, with affiliations and email
addresses please. After we get our travel details sorted and
over the holiday hump I’ll send back a proposed invite list
and letter that staff can blast out like ten days before the
meeting.</div>
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<div class="">In terms of content, again I’d suggest skipping
the what is ICANN org chart thing and go straight to the
distributed presentation of 3 minute issue intros connecting
our issues with stuff folks there might care about, followed
by open conversation. A priori I’d expect a more focused
and substantive discussion than what we managed in London
and LA if we manage to herd in a bunch of beltway policy
wonks.</div>
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<div class="">What do you folks think we should cover, and
who’d be interested in taking which piece? Would this be a
good starting point? Topics to add? In total I don’t think
we should talk ‘at’ them for more than 30 minutes if that
before going to discussion, if we got even a third of the
names on last year’s Fadi list I suspect we’d have robust
engagement from visitors...</div>
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<li class="">IANA (Avri?)</li>
<li class="">Accountability (Matt?)</li>
<li class="">Human rights generally (Marilia?)</li>
<li class="">Privacy (Stephanie?)</li>
<li class="">FoE & 'Internet freedom’ as locals call it
(Walid?)</li>
<li class="">Access to knowledge/IPR/trademark (Kathy?)</li>
<li class="">Development (Rafik?)</li>
<li class="">IG generally, NMI, etc (Bill?)</li>
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<div class="">Matt, any news on whether CDT’s office would be
available like 10am - noon on Wed. 14th? What staff have
lined up for us now is a room at Wiley Rein that sits about
20-24 people, so a) we’d definitely need to cull the invite
list and b) this would be in a rather odd environment for a
CS meeting….</div>
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<div class="">Happy holidays, as applicable.</div>
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Dammak [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b class="">Sent:</b><span
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December 22, 2014 7:14 AM<br class="">
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Drake<br class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Milton
L Mueller; Matt Shears; Walid AL-SAQAF;
Marilia Maciel; Exec. Comm; Stephanie
Perrin; Amr Elsadr; Edward Morris; Avri
Doria; Kathy Kleiman; Joy Liddicoat; David
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS
outreach meeting in DC Wed. 13 January</span></div>
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<div class="">I guess the list will be
shrinked somehow :) I don't think we can
consider ISOC as civil society for example.
we can try to invite those folks (anyway
nobody talked about inviting CP80 anyway)
and see if they can confirm their
attendance. even if we don't expect CFR,
heritage or Hudson to join us, at least we
can let them and others know there is
already group of CS people involved for
years in ICANN and having expertise. just
recall the letter sent about IANA transition
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<div class="">as names , Joy suggested to
check with APC members in USA, Kathy
suggested Rebecca recommendations (and she
wrote about NCUC before) . I can suggest
Susan Aaronson .</div>
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<div class="">we have 3 weeks before this
meeting and I would expect us to have some
points to present to those folks.</div>
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<div class="">what would interest DC folks?</div>
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William Drake <<a
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<div class="">Thanks for the input,
sorry you’re shocked. As I said,
we’re unlikely to be able fit all
the all the people below in the room
with us, and people are providing
other names as well. So I was
suggesting we prioritize and invite
in tranches, in which case I’d think
we’d start with people who might
conceivably be open to getting
involved with us, which is sort of
the purpose of an outreach meeting.
But I don’t care enough either way
to debate it with you, so we could
instead invite broadly and whoever
RSVPs first and gets into the room,
that’s who we have. Send any names
you like from Cato, Heritage, CP80,
House Republican staff, whatever,
and I’ll pass their details to ICANN
for the invite blast.</div>
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2014, at 6:58 PM, Milton L
Mueller <<a
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class="">It’s really
wrong and even
shocking for you to
suggest dropping
people from the list
because you don’t
like their ideology.
I don’t see anyone
on that list who
doesn’t share some
core values of NCUC
regarding internet
freedom.</span></div>
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class="">Either we
are the
noncommercial
stakeholders group
or we are something
else. If the people
involved are
involved in
nonprofit advocacy
groups and are
eligible for NCUC
membership they
should be invited,
full stop.</span></div>
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class=""> <a
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class="">ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</span></a> [<a
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Behalf Of </b>William
Drake<br
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<b class="">Sent:</b> Monday,
December 15,
2014 9:20 AM<br
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<b class="">To:</b> Exec.
Comm<br
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<b class="">Cc:</b> Matt
Shears;
Marilia
Maciel;
Stephanie
Perrin; Amr
Elsadr; Avri
Doria; Edward
Morris; Kathy
Kleiman; Joy
Liddicoat;
David Cake<br
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<b class="">Subject:</b> [NCUC-EC]
Possible
invitees for
NCUC CS
outreach
meeting in DC
Wed. 13
January</span></div>
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<div class="">Hello</div>
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<div class="">As
we’ve discussed,
there will be an
NCUC civil society
outreach meeting
in DC the morning
of Wed. 14
January, after the
NCPH meeting.
Probably we’ll do
10-1pm, we’ll
see. Think it
will be in some
law office, the
ICANN office is
not available.
More on that
later. </div>
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<div class="">Again,
for the covered
travelers, if you
cannot get an
afternoon or
evening flight out
on the 14th, ICANN
will cover your
hotel that night.
Once Constituency
Travel starts to
get in touch on
this and you’ve
worked out your
itinerary, please
let me and Rob
Hoggarth know if
you will be
needing hotel for
that night.</div>
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<div class="">I’d
like to do
something similar
to what we tried
at the LA outreach
meeting, but
better—have a
number of people
teed up to speak 3
minutes each on
some of the issues
we work on, hold
all Q&A until
the end and then
go to an
integrative
freewheeling
discussion. Since
the folks we will
be inviting are
generally pretty
up to speed
beltway mavens, we
won’t need to do a
lot of what is
ICANN introductory
nonsense…just get
to what we’re
doing and then
have discussion
and say if you’re
into knowing more
or maybe even
joining please be
in touch. We’ll
sort this out
going forward.</div>
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is the list of
people that the
ICANN DC office
invited to meet
with Fadi when
he was in DC in
January for the
State of the Net
Conference. A
number of these
it’d be good to
invite again,
but some I’d
drop, e.g.
people from
conservative
think tanks and
such who neither
share our views
nor are going to
get involved
with us. I
don’t know
exactly how many
bodies the room
we’ll have can
accommodate, am
waiting for an
answer on that
from Rob and
Chris, but am
guessing we’d
want a mix like
a dozen of us
and two dozen
external folks?</div>
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<div class="">Depending
on the numbers,
we may not be
able to
accommodate all
the bodies we
can name, or
might have to do
it in waves,
i.e. invite a
first tranche
and if some say
no then invite
others. We’ll
figure it out.
What I want to
know now is, are
there DC public
interest
activists and
friendly
analysts you can
think of who are
not listed and
might
conceivably be
interested in
meeting with us
to hear what
we’re into etc?
If so, please
send me their
names,
affiliations and
email addresses
to fold into the
list, and then
we’ll sort out
later who’s in
our first
tranche etc.</div>
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class=""
type="1">
<li
class="MsoNormal">Brigner Paul Internet
Society
(ISOC) Regional
Director North
America Bureau</li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Solomon Brett Access Executive
Director</li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Kimmelman Gene Public
Knowledge President</li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Beach Tim Georgetown Director,
Program in
Science,
Technology,
and
International Affairs</li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Hoffman Lance George
Washington Director,
Computer
Science
Department</li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Zaychenko Elizaveta American
Enterprise
Institute Tech
Policy Intern</li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Eisenach Jeffrey American
Enterprise
Institute Director,
Center for
Internet,
Communications,
and
Technology Policy</li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Nojeim Gregory Center
for Democracy
and
Technology Director,
Project on
Freedom,
Security &
Technology</li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Lewis James Center
for Strategic
and
International
Studies Director
and Senior
Fellow,
Strategic
Technologies
Program</li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">DeNardis Laura American
University Professor,
School of
Communications</li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Lordan Tim Internet
Education
Foundation Executive
Director</li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Burger Eric Georgetown Research
Professor of
Computer
Science and
Director, Georgetown
Center for
Secure
Communications</li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Dourado Eli George
Mason Research
Fellow, Tech
Policy,
Mercatus
Center, George
Mason Univ. </li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Levin Blair Aspen
Institute Fellow,
Aspen
Institute</li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Atkinson Robert ITIF President,
ITIF</li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Brown Kathryn ISOC CEO,
ISOC</li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Kornbluh Karen CFR Senior
Fellow for
Digital Policy</li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">West Darrell Brookings Vice
President and
Director,
Governance
Studies;
Founding Director,
Center for
Technology
Innovation </li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">O'Connor Nuala CDT President
& CEO</li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">McDowell Robert Hudson
Institute Visiting
Fellow (and
5th panel
member)</li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Lenard Thomas Technology
Policy
Institute President</li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Maciel Marilia Center
for Technology
and Society,
Getulio Vargas
Foundation Project
Leader/Researcher/Assistant
Professor of
IP Law</li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Tim
Maurer Open
Technology
Institute </li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Kehl Danielle New
America
Foundation </li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Sascha
Meinrath New
America
Foundation </li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Holmes
Wilson Fight
for the
Future </li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Pedro
Abramovay Open
Society
Foundations </li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Yeh Jennifer Free
Press Policy
Counsel</li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Craig
Aaron Free
Press </li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Matt
Wood Free
Press </li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Rebecca
MacKinnon New
America and
GNI </li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Catalina
Botero OAS
Special
Rappourter </li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Kilic Burcu Public
Citizen </li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Cerda Alberto Derechos
Digitales and
Georgetown
Univ. </li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Daniel
Weitzner MIT </li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Vasdev Samhir World
Bank Innovation
and Design
Consultant,
Open
Technology
Alliance</li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Pohl Rachel Aspen
Institute </li>
<li
class="MsoNormal">Rossini Carolina Public
Knowledge </li>
</ol>
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