[NCUC-EC] NCUC @ IGF Bali Funding

Mon Sep 9 17:42:01 CEST 2013

Hi Bill,
Since I have had this on the my schedule for months (and assume that 
Milton has too), I don't see anything prejudicial about having both of 
us participate by remote participation...

Best,
Kathy

:
> Hmmm…
>
> Sorry Milton, it occurs to me post hoc my formulation below may sound 
> prejudicial between the two of you in terms of participation.  Not my 
> intention, has been a long day and too much mail.
>
> I guess the flip side alternative would be that you serve as a remote 
> panelist and Joy (who will be there, and opposes closeds) replaces 
> Kathy as a panelist.  Although this then doesn't solve our problem of 
> having loose travel funding for a must be there member (or Kathy's 
> interest in speaking).
>
> BD
>
>
> On Sep 9, 2013, at 5:21 PM, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com 
> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Hi MM
>>
>> Of course, you don't actually have to come three days early for all 
>> the pre-events.  You can do GigaNet (you're the chair, you should be 
>> there no?) and IGF in 5 days, less if you don't want to stay for the 
>> whole deal (I think this workshop will be Wednesday).  And if the 
>> route's too long (34 sounds high?), use frequent flyer miles to upgrade…?
>>
>> The origin of this panel was in part the debate between you and Kathy 
>> on closed generics long ago.  I thought that nicely demonstrated the 
>> way the issue divides across all kinds of lines, and the diversity of 
>> views within NCUC.  So the expectation was that you two sort of 
>> anchored the discussion, being the polar ends.  It really doesn't 
>> work to have a workshop with two speakers giving remote 
>> presentations, especially the two who were to represent NCUC and help 
>> lead the discussion.  So I'd have to scurry and replace one of you on 
>> the panel.
>>
>> My preference is of course for you to reconsider, but if you can't, 
>> the logical thing for me to do is to reach out to Avri and see if she 
>> is still digging for Bali funding.  She takes a line parallel to 
>> yours so she'd be a perfect replacement, and she's a member.  I'll 
>> see her in Pisa on Wednesday and could work out the details.
>>
>> Please let me know if your decision's final.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Sep 9, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu 
>> <mailto:mueller at syr.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>> Damn. Great deal, but I have decided not to go to Bali.
>>> Good thing I didn't purchase a ticket on my own two weeks ago: I 
>>> came within a hairsbreadth of doing so
>>> The main problem however is time. It takes 34 hours to get to Bali 
>>> and now the event is a week with all the pre-events. I just can't 
>>> put that big a hole into my sabbatical in DC
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:*William Drake [wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>]
>>> *Sent:*Sunday, September 08, 2013 4:49 AM
>>> *To:*Milton L Mueller; Kleiman, Kathy
>>> *Cc:*EC NCUC
>>> *Subject:*NCUC @ IGF Bali Funding
>>>
>>> Hi Milton and Kathy
>>>
>>> As I said the other day on ncuc-discuss,
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2013, at 6:33 PM, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> FY14-B05-04
>>>> *42-NCUC FY14 Regular Budget Request (IGF Bali supplemental) 
>>>> Regular Track*
>>>> $8,000  Approved, staff comment is "This request was granted as 
>>>> part of the Fast Track process and has been revised to reflect a 
>>>> two additional NCUC travel slots for the IGF meeting."
>>>>
>>>> => We have inquired whether the funds could also be used more 
>>>> flexibly if need be, e.g split up differently and allocated in a 
>>>> manner to bring more people with partial support, TBD.
>>>
>>> I spoke with Rob Hoggarth the other day for clarification on the 
>>> deal here.  ICANN considers that the budget allocation  a) should be 
>>> used to support the travel of people who really have to be in Bali 
>>> for NCUC's closed generics workshop; and b) should be viewed as two 
>>> integral "slots", meaning that the funds can't be divided up as we 
>>> sometimes do for ICANN meetings, with one person getting the travel 
>>> support and another getting the hotel, etc.  He is seeking 
>>> clarification as to whether a per diem is also included.
>>>
>>> As you two volunteered to speak in the workshop and are thus 
>>> included in the approved IGF 
>>> submissionhttp://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_accomplish_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=253, 
>>> a) means that unless you don't want or need it, the funding goes to 
>>> you.  If by some chance you don't need it to come or prefer to stay 
>>> home and speak via remote participation, the NCUC EC would then 
>>> propose to staff that it be reallocated to someone else on the 
>>> assumption they'd help with outreach and any workshop logistics etc.
>>>
>>> So, what do you think, would you like to come to Bali (assuming the 
>>> Indonesian government finally signs the host country agreement and 
>>> the event is on), in which case I will notify Rob and Constituency 
>>> Travel?  Please let me know ASAP.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>> **********************************************************
>> William J. Drake
>> International Fellow & Lecturer
>>   Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
>>   University of Zurich, Switzerland
>> Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,
>>   ICANN, www.ncuc.org <http://www.ncuc.org/>
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>> wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com> (h),
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>
> **********************************************************
> William J. Drake
> International Fellow & Lecturer
>   Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
>   University of Zurich, Switzerland
> Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,
>   ICANN, www.ncuc.org <http://www.ncuc.org>
> william.drake at uzh.ch <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch> (w), 
> wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com> (h),
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