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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Bill,<br>
      Since I have had this on the my schedule for months (and assume
      that Milton has too), I don't see anything prejudicial about
      having both of us participate by remote participation...<br>
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      Best,<br>
      Kathy<br>
      <br>
      :<br>
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      Hmmm…
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      <div>Sorry Milton, it occurs to me post hoc my formulation below
        may sound prejudicial between the two of you in terms of
        participation.  Not my intention, has been a long day and too
        much mail.</div>
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      <div>I guess the flip side alternative would be that you serve as
        a remote panelist and Joy (who will be there, and opposes
        closeds) replaces Kathy as a panelist.  Although this then
        doesn't solve our problem of having loose travel funding for a
        must be there member (or Kathy's interest in speaking).</div>
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      <div>BD</div>
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          <div>On Sep 9, 2013, at 5:21 PM, William Drake <<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>>
            wrote:</div>
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              <div>Of course, you don't actually have to come three days
                early for all the pre-events.  You can do GigaNet
                (you're the chair, you should be there no?) and IGF in 5
                days, less if you don't want to stay for the whole deal
                (I think this workshop will be Wednesday).  And if the
                route's too long (34 sounds high?), use frequent flyer
                miles to upgrade…?</div>
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              <div>The origin of this panel was in part the debate
                between you and Kathy on closed generics long ago.  I
                thought that nicely demonstrated the way the issue
                divides across all kinds of lines, and the diversity of
                views within NCUC.  So the expectation was that you two
                sort of anchored the discussion, being the polar ends.
                 It really doesn't work to have a workshop with two
                speakers giving remote presentations, especially the two
                who were to represent NCUC and help lead the discussion.
                 So I'd have to scurry and replace one of you on the
                panel.  </div>
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              <div>My preference is of course for you to reconsider, but
                if you can't, the logical thing for me to do is to reach
                out to Avri and see if she is still digging for Bali
                funding.  She takes a line parallel to yours so she'd be
                a perfect replacement, and she's a member.  I'll see her
                in Pisa on Wednesday and could work out the details.</div>
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              <div>Please let me know if your decision's final.</div>
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              <div>Thanks</div>
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              <div>Bill</div>
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                  <div>On Sep 9, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Milton L Mueller <<a
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                      href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>>
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                        font-size: 10pt; ">Damn. Great deal, but I have
                        decided not to go to Bali.<span
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                        Good thing I didn't purchase a ticket on my own
                        two weeks ago: I came within a hairsbreadth of
                        doing so<br>
                        The main problem however is time. It takes 34
                        hours to get to Bali and now the event is a week
                        with all the pre-events. I just can't put that
                        big a hole into my sabbatical in DC<br>
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                            "><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b><span
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                              Drake [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>]<br>
                              <b>Sent:</b><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
                              September 08, 2013 4:49 AM<br>
                              <b>To:</b><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Milton
                              L Mueller; Kleiman, Kathy<br>
                              <b>Cc:</b><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>EC
                              NCUC<br>
                              <b>Subject:</b><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>NCUC
                              @ IGF Bali Funding<br>
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                          <div>Hi Milton and Kathy
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                            <div>As I said the other day on
                              ncuc-discuss,</div>
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                                <div>On Aug 28, 2013, at 6:33 PM,
                                  William Drake <<a
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                                    <b>42-NCUC FY14 Regular Budget
                                      Request (IGF Bali supplemental)
                                      Regular Track</b><br>
                                    $8,000  Approved, staff comment is
                                    "This request was granted as part of
                                    the Fast Track process and has been
                                    revised to reflect a two additional
                                    NCUC travel slots for the IGF
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                                      have inquired whether the funds
                                      could also be used more flexibly
                                      if need be, e.g </span>split up
                                    differently and allocated in a
                                    manner to bring more people with
                                    partial support, TBD.</div>
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                                        Hoggarth the other day for
                                        clarification on the deal here.
                                         ICANN considers that the budget
                                        allocation  a) should be used to
                                        support the travel of people who
                                        really have to be in Bali for
                                        NCUC's closed generics workshop;
                                        and b) should be viewed as two
                                        integral "slots", meaning that
                                        the funds can't be divided up as
                                        we sometimes do for ICANN
                                        meetings, with one person
                                        getting the travel support and
                                        another getting the hotel, etc.
                                         He is seeking clarification as
                                        to whether a per diem is also
                                        included.</div>
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                                        volunteered to speak in the
                                        workshop and are thus included
                                        in the approved IGF submission<a
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                                        a) means that unless you don't
                                        want or need it, the funding
                                        goes to you.  If by some chance
                                        you don't need it to come or
                                        prefer to stay home and speak
                                        via remote participation, the
                                        NCUC EC would then propose to
                                        staff that it be reallocated to
                                        someone else on the assumption
                                        they'd help with outreach
                                        and any workshop logistics etc.</div>
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                                        think, would you like to come to
                                        Bali (assuming the Indonesian
                                        government finally signs the
                                        host country agreement and the
                                        event is on), in which case I
                                        will notify Rob and Constituency
                                        Travel?  Please let me know
                                        ASAP.</div>
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                          William J. Drake<br>
                          International Fellow & Lecturer<br>
                            Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ<br>
                            University of Zurich, Switzerland<br>
                          Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, <br>
                            ICANN, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://www.ncuc.org/">www.ncuc.org</a><br>
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>
                          (w), <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>
                          (h),<br>
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  William J. Drake<br>
                  International Fellow & Lecturer<br>
                    Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ<br>
                    University of Zurich, Switzerland<br>
                  Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, <br>
                    ICANN, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://www.ncuc.org">www.ncuc.org</a><br>
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>
                  (w), <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>
                  (h),<br>
                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://www.williamdrake.org">www.williamdrake.org</a><br>
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