[Ec-ncuc] [Pc-ncuc] FW: NPOC issues

[Alex Gakuru]

It may help to stress SG's concerns that this problem would probably have
been twice unnecessary distracting had the proposed Consumer Constituency
been formalised  without the requisite bottom-up support of the entire non
commercial stakeholder group.

On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:

>  Exactly right, Bill. We have an airtight case on the merits, so let's
> make sure we lead with that in any and all discussions with the Board. You
> might also.mention that I proposed to send Amber but she was unable to go.
> The Board members who will listen need to be firmly warned about the
> illegitimacy of them taking sides among viewpoints or factions in SGs.
>
> Milton Mueller
> Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> *From: *William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>*
> To: *Konstantinos Komaitis <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>*
> Cc: *"pc-ncuc at ipjustice.org" <pc-ncuc at ipjustice.org>, "
> EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org" <ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org>*
> Sent: *Sat, Oct 15, 2011 09:48:34 GMT+00:00*
> Subject: *Re: [Pc-ncuc] FW: NPOC issues
>
>   let me make sure i understand cuz i don't recall what happened.  was it
> that the EC reallocated the Rafik and Rosemary support to Robin and Avri,
> rather than giving it to Alain, who has no defined role?  cuz a strong case
> can obviously be made that priority should go to the incoming and outgoing
> SG chairs who have to run meetings and otherwise be around.
>
> Debby is going to Dakar, right?  so they already had representation there?
>
> how do you make the point without getting the board involved?  you mean
> privately, off line?
>
> On Oct 15, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Konstantinos Komaitis wrote:
>
> > FYI -  we do have a problem with this and NCUC should really make a
> point, I believe, about the issue of Debbie going directly the Board. In
> Dakar I will seek to make sure that the Board is not getting involved with
> internal issues of NCSG or when for instance NPOC feels that they are being
> mistreated.
> >
> > KK
> >
> > From: Konstantinos Komaitis <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:
> k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>
> > Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:19:22 +0100
> > To: Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com<mailto:steve at shinkuro.com>>, "Avri
> org>" <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org>>
> > Cc: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>, Diane
> Schroeder <diane.schroeder at icann.org<mailto:diane.schroeder at icann.org>>,
> Bruce Tonkin <Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au<mailto:
> Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au>>, Bill Graham <likeanarrow at gmail.com
> <mailto:likeanarrow at gmail.com>>, John Jeffrey <john.jeffrey at icann.org
> <mailto:john.jeffrey at icann.org>>, David Olive <David.Olive at icann.org
> <mailto:David.Olive at icann.org>>, NCUC/NCSG <ncsg-ec at n4c.eu<mailto:
> ncsg-ec at n4c.eu>>
> > Subject: Re: NPOC issues
> >
> > Dear Steve,
> >
> > Thank you very much for informing us about this issue. I am a bit puzzled
> (and concerned) as to why Debbie chose this route on an issue that is purely
> internal to NCSG, however, as Avri says, it is rather difficult to answer to
> any of this until I have the chance to read the actual complaint. The only
> thing I would like to say at this stage is that the decision concerning the
> re-allocation of travel funds was not taken in an arbitrary manner or in a
> way that sought to undermine the participation of NPOC.
> >
> > I am looking forward to our discussions in Dakar so that this issue can
> be resolved.
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > Konstantinos
> >
> > From: Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com<mailto:steve at shinkuro.com>>
> > Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 19:53:42 +0100
> > To: "Avri org>" <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org>>
> > Cc: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>, Diane
> Schroeder <diane.schroeder at icann.org<mailto:diane.schroeder at icann.org>>,
> Bruce Tonkin <Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au<mailto:
> Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au>>, Bill Graham <likeanarrow at gmail.com
> <mailto:likeanarrow at gmail.com>>, John Jeffrey <john.jeffrey at icann.org
> <mailto:john.jeffrey at icann.org>>, David Olive <David.Olive at icann.org
> <mailto:David.Olive at icann.org>>, Konstantinos Komaitis <
> k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>, NCUC/NCSG <
> ncsg-ec at n4c.eu<mailto:ncsg-ec at n4c.eu>>
> > Subject: Re: NPOC issues
> >
> > Avri,
> >
> > Thanks.  I too am sensitive to going outside of channels.  I look forward
> to a full airing.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Oct 14, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org<mailto:
> avri at acm.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> > I think it is quite kind of you to have arranged Alain's passage to
> Dakar.
> > As for the whole story, until such time as Debby's charges are made
> public, it is difficult for anyone to respond to them.  I do wish she had
> copied the NCSG and its executive committee, in her complaint.  Who knows,
> perhaps it might have been taken care of without secret escalation.
> > I have copied Konstantinos, the chair of the NCUC on this, as one of the
> allocations was made by the NCUC and not by the NCSG, so that he can prepare
> himself to answer the accusations with the rest of us.  I have also copied
> the NCSG Executive Committee as this seems something they should be informed
> of.
> > Thanks so much for your attention to his matter.
> > avri
> > On 14 Oct 2011, at 14:28, Steve Crocker wrote:
> > Thanks.  I too look forward to seeing full story.
> > See you in Dakar.
> > Steve
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > On Oct 14, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:
> robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
> > I'm fairly certain this "complaint" is entirely unfounded and I would
> like to see a copy of it.
> > Thank you,
> > Robin
> > On Oct 14, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Steve Crocker wrote:
> > Avri and Robin,
> > I guess there was some confusion about the routing of Debbie Hughes'
> letter, and I apologize for not getting the loop closed on our side.  That
> said, the NPOC seems pretty exercised, and I expect their complaints will
> need some attention.  To assist them, I've agreed to find support so Alain
> can come to Dakar.
> > I expect Debbie will be providing more information shortly.
> > I'm not yet certain where their complaints should be dealt with.  My
> focus at the moment is simply to make sure this gets sorted out properly.
> > If I've left out others who should be in the loop, please include them.
> > Thanks,
> > Steve
> > Sent from my iPhone
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