[NCUC-DISCUSS] ICANN and the Public interest

Tue Oct 8 05:07:53 CEST 2019

Hey everyone,

The deadline for submission of this comment is the 18th of this month and
according to Rafik noone has volunteered to write an NCSG response yet. I’d
be happy to help support the team of volunteers anyway possible, but cannot
write the comment myself due to a big workload on the council side. However
I would really encourage a small team of us to engage with this topic
urgently.

Any volunteers willing to work together?

Best,

E.
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On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 10:39 PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks for references Elsa. I'll go dig out the archives.
>
> Very best regards
>
> Tomslin
>
>
>
> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 11:27, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It’s also good to note that these two instances were not the only ones,
>> however I shared them here promptly, for the sake of providing a couple of
>> examples. I’m sure others on the PC would be able to provide more details :)
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Elsa
>> —
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 9:24 PM Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Tomslin,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the question!
>>>
>>> Actually in Kobe, (off the top of my head) we had a meeting with the
>>> board where Global Public Interest was discussed. I’m pretty sure if you
>>> look at the archives of that meeting which I think was recorded, you’d find
>>> several statements by NCSG reps on the issue in conversation with board
>>> members. I remember quite vividly that we mentioned, it’s best not to use
>>> the term loosely, if at all.
>>>
>>> We’ve also raised the issue of the use of “global public interest” most
>>> recently at the GNSO Council level. The board recently sent a letter to the
>>> coyncil about Phase 1 of the EPDP and referred to “Global Public Interest”
>>> in their reasoning for concern within the letter. NCSG pushed for
>>> expressing concern about the use of the term in the letter from the GNSO
>>> Council and our wording was incorporated into the GNSO Council’s reply.
>>> This should definitely be in the archives.
>>>
>>> Apologies that i will not be able to provide links at the moment,
>>> however I thought the question needed to be answered promptly.
>>>
>>> E.
>>> —
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 8:25 PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <
>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Milton for the nudge and thanks Rafik for the details.
>>>>
>>>> @Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> , you said "*Even though NCSG in the
>>>> past year as far as I’ve seen, has been pushing for not using the word from
>>>> the start,*" do we (NCSG) have any formal statement on this recorded
>>>> somewhere that I can take a look at?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tomslin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 10:05, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> the details about public consultation below. I created a google doc so
>>>>> we can start the drafting for a NCSG Comment
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nZJ91SSW55Isl2iBAEASopfYnWcsgsBcXdB5hUUjNdI/edit.
>>>>> you can listen to webinar recordings  here
>>>>> https://community.icann.org/display/prjxplrpublicint/GPI+Toolkit .
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>> From 18 September – 18 October 2019, a community consultation is
>>>>> taking place on the global public interest framework proposed by the
>>>>> ICANN Board. In reviewing the proposal, the ICANN Board is asking the ICANN
>>>>> community to consider the following questions for input to the ICANN Board:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.  What are your thoughts on the proposed framework approach? Do you
>>>>> have any suggestions for how it could be improved?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.  What are your thoughts on the proposed approach for decisions in
>>>>> the ICANN ecosystem to be accompanied by a consideration of their impact on
>>>>> the global public interest (as well as an explanation regarding what
>>>>> is meant by the GPI in the specific case)?
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.  How do you see this working for the Supporting Organization (SO),
>>>>> Advisory Committee (AC), constituency, group, review team, or
>>>>> cross-community working group (CCWG) to which you are contributing?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The global public interest is central to many of ICANN’s primary
>>>>> governance documents, and the ICANN Board hopes to play a role in
>>>>> facilitating a bottom-up, community-driven process to develop a framework
>>>>> as a toolkit for the ICANN community to consider the global public interest.
>>>>> These considerations would not change the process by which decisions are
>>>>> made but could instead serve as tools for the community to reinforce the
>>>>> commitment to the public interest and to demonstrate how specific
>>>>> recommendations, advice, and public comments are in the globalpublic interest.
>>>>> This includes the ICANN community guiding the ICANN Board about the
>>>>> public interest determination the latter must make in its decisions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To learn more about the framework, please read the discussion paper
>>>>> [r20.rs6.net]
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__r20.rs6.net_tn.jsp-3Ff-3D0014631p6ECz1koeg6ajMSzZrFT7DO05069BKNDJvhNpKDU-2D38mdcxCqJ1EJzj5gscgfkGfGj-2DFGI3o7d-5FcGAxvEYcLuDt-2DuNbFw7pLtAPwsOOBVyljJ-5FnOUkAdXGEq-5Fpqhnx9MAz7aDEHi3hvOaYb3gqWjXDXghZrpf0Ca1iUZzXdnGBbim2ZY09p7WU0m-2DXOMIhpn2CTVR7lR4v-2DDeX-5F4RZFHV0Vx2gnIRwJwkZKqQoiglVM4l6PG-2Df7xB-5FIkXMVwTDMtu5FHvXFhlTLLJIN5Jg-3D-3D-26c-3Dz44JySTIvEGqNJPIjwWImwF59dG21I-2DoxnM1Mz6G5PmaucLg5GaW-5Fg-3D-3D-26ch-3DFcbT1z5bmkz6UEfk6eUJehq3ywPR-5FHTaxr7BzhY6q17TcrAkO831rw-3D-3D&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=Zrm2TmioSoHmD-RVsf08eb9s33A4I2k08_uP0LOo_zA&s=Y1oSQaaaH67cndtqhCcGryOkThAU0RpFNJVzZzD0mGc&e=>.
>>>>> Community feedback is welcome by *Friday, 18 October 2019 via email
>>>>> at **gpitoolkit at icann.org <gpitoolkit at icann.org>*. After the
>>>>> community consultation, there will be a public session at ICANN66,
>>>>> followed by a Public Comment proceeding.
>>>>>
>>>>> Le mar. 24 sept. 2019 à 08:53, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for sharing Milton!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ICANN seems adamant about using the terms on a context to context
>>>>>> basis given the new proposed path forward, also shared in two webinars this
>>>>>> month.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even though NCSG in the past year as far as I’ve seen, has been
>>>>>> pushing for not using the word from the start, it seems we might have to
>>>>>> actively work on mitigating the risk of its use in a more structurally
>>>>>> biased way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m keeping an eye out for any developments on the consultation phase
>>>>>> (even though I would have preferred a formal public comment phase instead),
>>>>>> but would also invite that we all have a discussion about the proposed way
>>>>>> forward by ICANN, more meticulously and collectively.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Elsa
>>>>>> —
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 5:59 PM Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was reading some scholarly literature about public service
>>>>>>> broadcasting and came across this statement from a GigaNet colleague, Yik
>>>>>>> Chin:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “The Constitution of the PRC indeed speaks the language of the
>>>>>>> Public Interest (PI), and the term regularly appears in legal provisions
>>>>>>> without definition. There have been no juridical interpretations of ‘PI’,
>>>>>>> either. This ambiguity gives discretionary power to the authorities to
>>>>>>> interpret ‘PI’ in ways that invade and deprive individuals of their rights.
>>>>>>> Chin, Y.C 2012.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Food for thought
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr. Milton L Mueller
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> School of Public Policy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Georgia Institute of Technology
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Elsa Saade
>>>>>> Consultant
>>>>>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>>>>>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>> --
>>>
>>> Elsa Saade
>>> Consultant
>>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>>
>> --
>> --
>>
>> Elsa Saade
>> Consultant
>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>
> --
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Elsa Saade
Consultant
Gulf Centre for Human Rights
Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
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