[NCUC-DISCUSS] Statement on Transparency and Off-list Communication

[Renata Aquino Ribeiro]

Farzaneh

Nothing makes sadder as well.
Trust is difficult to obtain when a group leader is subject to
repeated accusations which are, themselves, carrying another agenda
which has nothing to do with what they are about.
I would also hope the reluctants change their mind and face the
challenge to apply for PC NCSG, that they contact you or Rafik.

I have given enough explanations already on how short we are on
volunteers and how pressed for time some production on NCUC is done.
But I suspect there's a hidden agenda to crush NCUC initiatives,
whether on Rightscon, IGF or ABRs.

Well, we will always try to share materials with our members with
better deadlines but we won't stop with our own initiatives and
Constituency identity.

I do hope our umbrella organization supports us on having our own initiatives.

Best,

Renata




On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 12:54 PM, farzaneh badii
<farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
> Renata
>
> This actually saddens me. Previously, we rarely had NCSG v. NCUC problems.
> or when we had, we transparently resolved them. Those members who are
> criticizing the NCUC EC actions are in fact NCUC members, any members' call
> to hold you accountable fair or unfair should be responded to, just like
> other leaders did in the past. Members criticism should not be called
> "attack" "aggression" or "bullying". Because then how are we supposed to be
> accountable to the members if we frame their criticism as such?
>
> We had exactly the same transparency issue last year when I was NCUC chair,
> we were challenged by the then NCSG chair. we resolved it. Members just need
> a response and promise that it will get better.
>
> The accusations of "unsafe environment" and "bullying" are serious. You
> cannot just throw them out there without concrete and strong evidence, it is
> unfair on NCSG and NCSG PC.
>
>
> I have always asked you to put those who would like to be engaged in policy
> in touch with us. Rafik never ever gives up reaching out to people and
> informing members. I even joined the NCUC buddy mentor program to help
> people get engaged. yes NCSG PC carries out a bulk of the policymaking and
> has the authority to pass the public comments as NCSG comments. It is not so
> nice to see that the public comment you have written is not being accepted
> or being changed but this is the nature of writing public comments. So many
> people who are now NCSG/NCUC veterans had their public comments altered or
> not approved. [one example is happening now, we are commenting on what Ayden
> has drafted and not accepting everything he has written] But this is the
> nature of a consensus process. I am to be included in the ones who had their
> public comment amended or simply not approved! Is that being hostile? If
> not, what is?
>
> Members can always join policy development groups, bring issues to the
> attention of NCUC and NCSG and we are always open to suggestions.
>
> As I told you, if you would like to criticize my actions or if you think I
> am doing something wrong as the NCSG chair, please feel free to bring them
> up. I can make things better, and I can provide an explanation. However, I
> do not tolerate baseless accusations against NCSG PC, against NCUC members
> or against NCSG members.
>
> As to your policy committee candidate that you cannot find, welcome to the
> club, it is not easy to have active members who are willing to step up and
> spend time on this. But I have also talked to a couple of people about this
> position and they did not mention they were intimidated by PC. One actually
> was going to apply ...
>
>
> I will stand ready to respond to any question regarding NCSG. As long as the
> questions are based on the actions that have been taken and not just
> misinterpretation and accusations.
>
>
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rafik
>>
>> I'm sorry, just as you are, that the PC NCSG selection is one of the
>> aspects impacted by the exchanges of email recently done here.
>> On my part, I've answered over and over again the emails and still
>> they keep coming.
>> So yes, it is perceived by the members as bullying and unsafe
>> environment and they do reach out to me in private.
>> They wouldn't reach out to PC NCSG Chair because they aren't even
>> candidates there on the 1st, no matter how much I try to assure, just
>> like you, that the archives are open and they can see how things go
>> along.
>>
>> This is just the truth and I am opening this because we need to deal with
>> it.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Renata
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 11:16 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi Renata,
>> >
>> > I just finished the Council extraordinary call and it is already 23:00
>> > but I
>> > felt the need to respond here as you are making dangerous statements.
>> >
>> > I may understand that you feel attacked and questioned but anyone in a
>> > leadership position can tell you that they have faced that in time and
>> > has
>> > to deal with it. We all faced that at some time during our terms. is it
>> > pleasant? of course not but as leaders, we got to respond calmly and
>> > explain
>> > our reasons. we may be right or wrong but at the end, that doesn't
>> > matter,
>> > but we owe responses to our members as part of accountability and being
>> > responsible. I have no position on the issue faced by the EC to be
>> > shared on
>> > the list and only wish them good luck and I am pretty sure of theirs
>> > genuine
>> > reasons.
>> >
>> > You are bringing NCSG PC to this issue which is unfair and without any
>> > valid
>> > reason. As I am the NCSG Policy Committee chair, I am trying to
>> > understand
>> > what you mean by bullies there and take responsibility if there is any
>> > problem. If someone has an issue or complaint, he or she can report that
>> > to
>> > NCSG chair and/or to me when needed and they can be ensured that their
>> > inquiry will be taken into account and seriously investigated. I don't
>> > think
>> > going through 3rd party is the right way to do so. Some discussion can
>> > be
>> > tense but I don't recall anyone dismissed, attacked or pushed. people
>> > can
>> > check the PC list as all our deliberations are there or check the
>> > recordings
>> > of NCSG policy call as we discuss policy matters there.
>> >
>> > to be honest what you are saying is definitely an attack and
>> > unfortunately
>> > trying to deflect an issue you have on another group. That is really
>> > inappropriate and not helpful.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Rafik
>> >
>> > Le mar. 12 juin 2018 à 22:32, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>> > a
>> > écrit :
>> >>
>> >> Hi
>> >>
>> >> Yes, the Chair opposed this statement.
>> >>
>> >> I believe all the conversation on time constraints on volunteers and
>> >> NCUC production has been addressed, multiple times.
>> >>
>> >> I also believe it is very comfortable to hide behind accusations of
>> >> lack of transparency when one did not contribute to writing ABRs or
>> >> getting into an agreement about an NCUC IGF Proposal.
>> >>
>> >> NCSG is our umbrella organization and members who are more active
>> >> there just come here to intimidate and attack.
>> >>
>> >> We have close to zero candidates to PC NCSG Committee because no one
>> >> wants to work with bullies there. I spend half of my time replying to
>> >> members who feel that these attacks are out of line.
>> >>
>> >> I will not empower these attacks.
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Renata
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Ncuc-discuss mailing list
>> >> Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>> >> https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ncuc-discuss mailing list
>> Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>> https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
>
>