[NCUC-DISCUSS] Hold us accountable
Stephanie Perrin
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Wed Jul 11 21:26:48 CEST 2018
Dear Socata,
I know that Peter was working hard; I recall him asking me for some
pointers on the Experts Working Group Report (162 pages) and he told me
he was reading it in English. I think that report was hard to
understand for native english speakers, let alone someone whose first
language is, for instance, mandarin. It is unfortunate, the turmoil
that sometimes happens among our members, but we must focus on moving
ahead and trying to understand each others perspectives.
There was a lot of very emotional rhetoric flying around at the time of
that incident, and I think we should try to avoid that in future. People
are just trying to do their best as volunteers here. Leadership in civil
society groups is difficult.
Stephanie Perrin
On 2018-07-11 04:29, socata wrote:
> Dear Farell,
>
> Thanks for your nice word. And to James, thanks for your clarification.
>
> I would say that I had no idea about what Peter was doing in the past
> few years, and I didn't care, honestly. All I know is that it is not
> easy for the Chinese community member, like Peter, to participate
> ICANN discussions. The meeting always was hold in midnight for us, and
> there always connection problems about Google service due to GFW. In
> addition, few colleagues may understand you.
>
> Even if Farzaneh may sometimes make some mistakes, I would like to say
> that I can understand that, that is the whole point I want to say.
>
> Best regards.
>
> --
> Zhou Heng
> Ph.d Candidate
> Renmin University of China
>
> 在 2018-07-11 03:05:07，Farell FOLLY <farell at benin2point0.org> 写道：
>
> Dear James,
>
> If we think that somebody made a mistake, we can simply correct
> (s)he either privately (recommended by Netiquette best practices)
> or publicly so that nobody else makes the same mistake again.
>
> I don’t think that this kind of irony will really serve the
> purpose of our community.
>
>
> @__f_f__
>
> Best Regards
> ____________________________________
>
> Ekue (Farell) FOLLY
> Technology Champion & Chapter Head
> Africa 2.0 Foundation.
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>> On 10 Jul 2018, at 17:59, James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net
>> <mailto:james at cyberinvasion.net>> wrote:
>>
>> News to me that Peter was the Chair of the NCSG, the things we learn!
>> *From:*Ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org
>> <mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org>>*On Behalf Of*socata
>> *Sent:*10 July 2018 12:08
>> *To:*farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at GMAIL.COM
>> <mailto:farzaneh.badii at GMAIL.COM>>; ncuc-discuss
>> <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <mailto:ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Hold us accountable
>> Dear Community member,
>> I totally understand the working load of running a community, and
>> you can't require everything is perfect here.
>> Even though she may make some mistakes sometimes, I have
>> recognized that Farzaneh have done so much for the community. The
>> chair of NCSG was never a easy job.
>> I used to work with Peter Green (Zhang Zuan), the former Chair of
>> NCSG, in China Organizational Name Administration Center(CONAC)
>> for several years. I know lots of members in this community may
>> hold negative opinions to him, and I also have different idea
>> about a registry's staff to get involved in NCSG. However, I must
>> admit that Peter Green pay lots of extra hours for NCSG. I heard
>> that he used to work very late for NCSG, and usually left the
>> office in 2 a.m to catch the NCSG meeting. In addition, no one in
>> CONAC understand what he was doing, so he gets no extra salary
>> and promotion.
>> The chair of NCSG was a pure voluntary position. Farzaneh did not
>> get any payment from us. You can' t ask her too much.
>> Best Regards,
>> --
>> Zhou Heng
>> Ph.d Candidate
>> Renmin University of China
>>
>> At 2018-07-10 03:10:25, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at GMAIL.COM
>> <mailto:farzaneh.badii at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Renata,
>> Let me clarify something. The reason why I am reluctant to
>> have the chairs of the constituencies be observers on NCSG EC
>> application database is that you ( NCUC chair) has repeatedly
>> been putting pressure on me and challenging me on why some
>> applicants have not been approved while all the EC and I were
>> doing was working with a broken membership database and
>> trying to verify the noncommercial interest of some of the
>> applicants who were from the governments or the noncommercial
>> nature of their association was not really obvious.
>> I certainly cannot and do not have enough time for such
>> quarrels, I never did that to the NCSG chair when I was NCUC
>> chair, I had faith in my NCSG EC reps.
>> Tracy Kadesa applied for membership on 27 January. Her case
>> was brought to our attention on 2 Feb by you, less than one
>> week after she had applied, I told you it will take a month.
>> I responded on the same day. on 17 March you contacted me
>> again cc'ing her. I responded immediately. It usually takes
>> us 1 month for approval but because we had a glitch with the
>> membership system and I wanted it to be operationalized and
>> NCSG EC members are volunteers and have other things to do it
>> took a bit longer than the one month period. We are now
>> trying to comply with the one month period.
>> In your outreach events or if you recommend someone apply you
>> can do two things: 1. ask them put your name as their
>> reference (we have this section on our online form here:
>>
>> *Although references are not required, it would be helpful to
>> the Membership Committee to know if you have an affiliation
>> with a current NCSG member or can use an NCSG member as a
>> referral to confirm your identity. **Can you provide a
>> current NCSG member as a reference? If so, who?"*.Maryam can
>> contact them with you in cc, ask for more information. But at
>> no point or time should the chair be challenging the decision
>> of why NCSG EC is making further inquiries.
>>
>> 2. Ask them to fill in the form carefully with their current
>> contact details because we might contact them. (it says on
>> our application form) If they have inquiries regarding their
>> membership application, it is clearly said on the submission
>> form who they can contact:
>>
>> The NCSG Membership Committee receives applications on a
>> rolling basis and evaluates them monthly. If you have not
>> received a response within 30 days please contact
>> *members.ncsg.is <mailto:info at members.ncsg.is>*. If further
>> information or clarification is needed, the Membership
>> Committee will contact you.**
>>
>> The NCSG EC will certainly document the procedure of
>> membership approval in the near future, I will advise them
>> not to have any of the constituency's chairs as observers on
>> the membership database. I believe that is the job of their
>> NCSG EC reps to update you, you can ask your EC reps to
>> report to you on this. If you don't like how the EC members
>> work, if they are processing applications late, if they are
>> not responding then your EC can remove them and assign
>> someone else. As Joan suggested, a list of rejected
>> applicants can be produced, only their name and family name
>> and with the reason for rejection. You can ask your NCSG EC
>> reps to do this for you.
>>
>> Farzaneh
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 1:51 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> <raquino at gmail.com <mailto:raquino at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Joan for your reply.
>> Indeed the role of Observer would preserve NCSG EC
>> independence, would be just for constituency to respond
>> in extraordinary cases.
>> I take it the reporting of all leadership should be a
>> constant practice.
>> However we need a safeguard to observe the database when
>> a member has participated in outreach but could not join
>> due to mistakes in his/her communication, people who
>> reapply etc.
>> I'm aware this is a long shot but just landing it here
>> for the record.
>> Best,
>> Renata
>> Em seg, 9 de jul de 2018 14:25, Joan Kerr
>> <joankerr at fbsc.org <mailto:joankerr at fbsc.org>> escreveu:
>>
>> Hi Renata,
>> I think a summary of the applicants who were not
>> approved is fine as well. I have an applicant who
>> was not approved and does not know why. I think that
>> observing is good, however, information for the Chair
>> to follow up would suffice as well.
>> Regards,
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:59 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> <raquino at gmail.com <mailto:raquino at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>> Yes, on the black box procedure of membership
>> approval, a request I have made a while ago to
>> NCSG Chair is to have NCUC and NPOC Chairs as
>> observers of the membership database.
>> That could help us know how membership process is
>> going when normally the Constituencies EC is the
>> one doing the outreach and knows who are the
>> members applying better than the NCSG EC rep.
>> In order to know if one prospective member
>> applied, today we have to ask NCSG EC rep and
>> they have other work to do, may be abducted by
>> aliens or have any other hinderance that prevents
>> them from reporting timely.
>> Another issue is that their sending data to us
>> would constitute as data smuggling and I believe
>> that would cause a real privacy nightmare.
>> Tracy Kadesa, for instance, just tweeted out
>> asking about her application in despair. Others
>> post on Facebook.
>> Of course we do count on Maryam, ICANN Staff, to
>> confirm status as well.
>> But I this fencing via ICANN Staff to membership
>> database is the opposite of accountability to me
>> and while we understand NCSG is the supreme
>> decider of all things, we just want a peek to
>> oversee behind our iron umbrella organization.
>> Best,
>> Renata
>>
>>
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