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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Dear Socata, <br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I know that Peter was
working hard; I recall him asking me for some pointers on the
Experts Working Group Report (162 pages) and he told me he was
reading it in English. I think that report was hard to
understand for native english speakers, let alone someone
whose first language is, for instance, mandarin. It is
unfortunate, the turmoil that sometimes happens among our
members, but we must focus on moving ahead and trying to
understand each others perspectives. <br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">There was a lot of
very emotional rhetoric flying around at the time of that
incident, and I think we should try to avoid that in future.
People are just trying to do their best as volunteers here.
Leadership in civil society groups is difficult.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie Perrin</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-07-11 04:29, socata wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear Farell,</div>
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<div>Thanks for your nice word. And to James, thanks for your
clarification.</div>
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<div>I would say that I had no idea about what Peter was doing
in the past few years, and I didn't care, honestly. All I know
is that it is not easy for the Chinese community member, like
Peter, to participate ICANN discussions. The meeting always
was hold in midnight for us, and there always connection
problems about Google service due to GFW. In addition, few
colleagues may understand you. </div>
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<div>Even if Farzaneh may sometimes make some mistakes, I would
like to say that I can understand that, that is the whole
point I want to say.</div>
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</div>
<div>Best regards.</div>
<div><br>
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<div style="position:relative;zoom:1">--<br>
<div>Zhou Heng</div>
<div>Ph.d Candidate</div>
<div>Renmin University of China</div>
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在 2018-07-11 03:05:07，Farell FOLLY
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<div class="">If we think that somebody made a mistake, we can
simply correct (s)he either privately (recommended by
Netiquette best practices) or publicly so that nobody else
makes the same mistake again.</div>
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<div class="">On 10 Jul 2018, at 17:59, James Gannon
<<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="">News to me that Peter was the Chair of
the NCSG, the things we learn!<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b
class=""><span class="" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
class="" lang="EN-US"><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Ncuc-discuss
<<a
href="mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</a>><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class="">On Behalf Of<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>socata<br
class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>10 July
2018 12:08<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>farzaneh
badii <<a
href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM</a>>;
ncuc-discuss <<a
href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br
class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[NCUC-DISCUSS] Hold us accountable<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Dear
Community member,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">I
totally understand the working load of
running a community, and you can't require
everything is perfect here.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Even
though she may make some mistakes sometimes,
I have recognized that Farzaneh have done so
much for the community. The chair of NCSG
was never a easy job.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">I
used to work with Peter Green (Zhang Zuan),
the former Chair of NCSG, in China
Organizational Name Administration
Center(CONAC) for several years. I know lots
of members in this community may hold
negative opinions to him, and I also have
different idea about a registry's staff to
get involved in NCSG. However, I must admit
that Peter Green pay lots of extra hours for
NCSG. I heard that he used to work very late
for NCSG, and usually left the office in 2
a.m to catch the NCSG meeting. In addition,
no one in CONAC understand what he was
doing, so he gets no extra salary and
promotion.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">The
chair of NCSG was a pure voluntary position.
Farzaneh did not get any payment from us.
You can' t ask her too much.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
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class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Best
Regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
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class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">--<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Zhou Heng<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Ph.d
Candidate<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Renmin
University of China<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br
class="">
At 2018-07-10 03:10:25, farzaneh badii <<a
href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
<br class="">
<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Dear
Renata,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Let me
clarify something. The reason why I am
reluctant to have the chairs of the
constituencies be observers on NCSG EC
application database is that you ( NCUC
chair) has repeatedly been putting
pressure on me and challenging me on why
some applicants have not been approved
while all the EC and I were doing was
working with a broken membership
database and trying to verify the
noncommercial interest of some of the
applicants who were from the governments
or the noncommercial nature of their
association was not really obvious. <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">I
certainly cannot and do not have enough
time for such quarrels, I never did that
to the NCSG chair when I was NCUC chair,
I had faith in my NCSG EC reps. <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Tracy
Kadesa applied for membership on 27
January. Her case was brought to our
attention on 2 Feb by you, less than one
week after she had applied, I told you
it will take a month. I responded on the
same day. on 17 March you contacted me
again cc'ing her. I responded
immediately. It usually takes us 1 month
for approval but because we had a glitch
with the membership system and I wanted
it to be operationalized and NCSG EC
members are volunteers and have other
things to do it took a bit longer than
the one month period. We are now trying
to comply with the one month period. <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">In your
outreach events or if you recommend
someone apply you can do two things: 1.
ask them put your name as their
reference (we have this section on our
online form here:</span><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 1.5pt;
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<p style="margin-right: 0cm;
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background-position: initial initial;
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class=""><b class=""><span
style="font-family: Georgia, serif;
color: rgb(59, 59, 59);" class="">Although
references are not required, it
would be helpful to the Membership
Committee to know if you have an
affiliation with a current NCSG
member or can use an NCSG member as
a referral to confirm your
identity. </span></b><b class=""><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Georgia, serif; color: rgb(59, 59,
59);" class="">Can you provide a
current NCSG member as a reference?
If so, who?"</span></b><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(34,
34, 34);" class="">.Maryam can contact
them with you in cc, ask for more
information. But at no point or time
should the chair be challenging the
decision of why NCSG EC is making
further inquiries. </span><span
style="font-family: Georgia, serif;
color: rgb(59, 59, 59);" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0cm;
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background-position: initial initial;
background-repeat: initial initial;"
class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;
color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class="">2.
Ask them to fill in the form carefully
with their current contact details
because we might contact them. (it
says on our application form) If they
have inquiries regarding their
membership application, it is clearly
said on the submission form who they
can contact: </span><span
style="font-family: Georgia, serif;
color: rgb(59, 59, 59);" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<div style="margin-top: 1.5pt;
margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="">
<p style="margin-right: 0cm;
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class=""><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Georgia, serif;
color: rgb(59, 59, 59);
background-color: rgb(215, 243,
251); background-position: initial
initial; background-repeat: initial
initial;" class="">The NCSG
Membership Committee receives
applications on a rolling basis and
evaluates them monthly. If you have
not received a response within 30
days please contact </span><b
class=""><span style="font-family:
Georgia, serif; color: rgb(59, 59,
59);" class=""><a
href="mailto:info@members.ncsg.is"
style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
color: rgb(0, 112, 179);
background-color: rgb(215,
243, 251); font-weight:
normal; text-decoration: none;
background-position: initial
initial; background-repeat:
initial initial;" class="">members.ncsg.is</span></a></span></b><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
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rgb(59, 59, 59); background-color:
rgb(215, 243, 251);
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initial; background-repeat: initial
initial;" class="">. If further
information or clarification is
needed, the Membership Committee
will contact you.</span><b class=""><span
style="font-family: Georgia,
serif; color: rgb(59, 59, 59);"
class=""></span></b><span
style="font-family: Georgia, serif;
color: rgb(59, 59, 59);" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0cm;
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0cm; background-color: white;
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class=""><span style="font-family:
Georgia, serif; color: rgb(59, 59,
59);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0cm;
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0cm; background-color: white;
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class=""><span style="font-family:
Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(59,
59, 59);" class="">The NCSG EC will
certainly document the procedure of
membership approval in the near
future, I will advise them not to
have any of the constituency's
chairs as observers on the
membership database. I believe that
is the job of their NCSG EC reps to
update you, you can ask your EC reps
to report to you on this. If you
don't like how the EC members work,
if they are processing applications
late, if they are not responding
then your EC can remove them and
assign someone else. As Joan
suggested, a list of rejected
applicants can be produced, only
their name and family name and with
the reason for rejection.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
style="background-color: white;
background-position: initial
initial; background-repeat:
initial initial;" class=""> You
can ask your NCSG EC reps to do
this for you.</span> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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class="">Farzaneh</span><span
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class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class="">On Mon, Jul
9, 2018 at 1:51 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro
<<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com"
target="_blank" style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">raquino@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<blockquote style="border-style: none none
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks
Joan for your reply.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div class="">
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"
class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
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class="">Indeed the role of Observer
would preserve NCSG EC independence,
would be just for constituency to
respond in extraordinary cases.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"
class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
</div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
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class="">I take it the reporting of
all leadership should be a constant
practice.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"
class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
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class="">However we need a safeguard
to observe the database when a
member has participated in outreach
but could not join due to mistakes
in his/her communication, people who
reapply etc.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
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class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
</div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"
class="">I'm aware this is a long
shot but just landing it here for
the record.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
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class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"
class="">Best,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
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class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
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class="">Renata<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"
class="">Em seg, 9 de jul de 2018
14:25, Joan Kerr <<a
href="mailto:joankerr@fbsc.org"
target="_blank" style="color:
purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">joankerr@fbsc.org</a>>
escreveu:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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class=""><span style="font-size:
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sans-serif;" class="">Hi Renata,<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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class=""><span style="font-size:
12pt; font-family: Verdana,
sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class=""><span style="font-size:
12pt; font-family: Verdana,
sans-serif;" class="">I think a
summary of the applicants who
were not approved is fine as
well. I have an applicant who
was not approved and does not
know why. I think that
observing is good, however,
information for the Chair to
follow up would suffice as well.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class=""><span style="font-size:
12pt; font-family: Verdana,
sans-serif;" class="">Regards,<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"
class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class=""><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class="">On Mon,
Jul 9, 2018 at 12:59 PM Renata
Aquino Ribeiro <<a
href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com"
target="_blank" style="color:
purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">raquino@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class="">Hi<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class="">Yes,
on the black box procedure
of membership approval, a
request I have made a while
ago to NCSG Chair is to have
NCUC and NPOC Chairs as
observers of the membership
database.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class="">That
could help us know how
membership process is going
when normally the
Constituencies EC is the one
doing the outreach and knows
who are the members applying
better than the NCSG EC rep.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class="">In
order to know if one
prospective member applied,
today we have to ask NCSG EC
rep and they have other work
to do, may be abducted by
aliens or have any other
hinderance that prevents
them from reporting timely.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class="">Another
issue is that their sending
data to us would constitute
as data smuggling and I
believe that would cause a
real privacy nightmare.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class="">Tracy
Kadesa, for instance, just
tweeted out asking about her
application in despair.
Others post on Facebook.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class="">Of
course we do count on
Maryam, ICANN Staff, to
confirm status as well.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class="">But I
this fencing via ICANN Staff
to membership database is
the opposite of
accountability to me and
while we understand NCSG is
the supreme decider of all
things, we just want a peek
to oversee behind our iron
umbrella organization.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class="">Best,<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class="">Renata<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 10.5pt;
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class=""><br class="" clear="all">
<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"
class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
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<p
style="margin-bottom:
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class=""><span
style="font-size:
7.5pt;
font-family:
Arial,
sans-serif;"
class="">Joan
Kerr,</span><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:
0.0001pt;"
class=""><span
style="font-size:
7.5pt;
font-family:
Arial,
sans-serif;"
class="">Entrepreneur,
Artist,
Humanitarian</span><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:
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class=""><span
style="font-size:
7.5pt;
font-family:
Arial,
sans-serif;"
class="">T: +1
(416) 907-0783</span><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:
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class=""><span
style="font-size:
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font-family:
Arial,
sans-serif;"
class="">Skype:
joankerr_fbsc</span><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p
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class=""><span
style="font-size:
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font-family:
Arial,
sans-serif;"
class=""><a
href="http://fbsc.org/"
target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">fbsc.org</a>,<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.fbsc.eco/"
style="color:
purple;
text-decoration:
underline;"
class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">www.fbsc.eco</a></span><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:
0.0001pt;"
class=""><span
style="font-size:
7.5pt;
font-family:
Arial,
sans-serif;"
class="">Chair:
Victory Garden
Leadership
Implementation
Team</span><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:
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class=""><span
style="font-size:
7.5pt;
font-family:
Arial,
sans-serif;"
class="">Chair,
Sustainable
Agriculture,
Global
Humanitarian
Technology
Conference</span><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:
0.0001pt;"
class=""><span
style="font-size:
7.5pt;
font-family:
Arial,
sans-serif;"
class="">Chair:
IEEE Smart
Villages
Project,
Sustainable
Agriculture
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