[NCUC-DISCUSS] Middle East and Adjoining Countries Group at NCUC

Kris Seeburn seeburn.k at gmail.com
Fri May 5 09:18:59 CEST 2017 

I was also trying to explain same as michael. But as I also said let's us try and no harm at this point. But if and if issues arise I would again suggest then we split as per original way.

Kris

> On 5 May 2017, at 11:14, Michael Oghia <mike.oghia at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I agree Ayden, and for the purpose of this list (the NCUC Middle East and Adjoining Countries list) anyone from the 22 Arab states, Iran, Turkey, Afghanistan, Pakistan, AND Israel or those "familiar with domain name issues in these regions" may join.
> 
> I was simply adding clarification about why the MEAC Strategy Working Group (MEAC-SWG) does not include Israel in case there were any lingering questions. Each country also corresponds to a different region (any country mentioned in Asia is with Asia-Pacific, while North African ones are with Africa).
> 
> -Michael
> 
>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>> We are talking about a regional mailing list here. Can we keep this in perspective please? We do not need to spend our limited resources dividing the world into arbitrary groupings; let people join and participate in whatever mailing list they want, if they identify as being a member of that community. Thank you.
>> 
>> Ayden 
>> 
>> 
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Middle East and Adjoining Countries Group at NCUC
>>> Local Time: 5 May 2017 8:04 AM
>>> UTC Time: 5 May 2017 07:04
>>> From: mike.oghia at gmail.com
>>> To: Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com>
>>> Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>, ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>> 
>>> I agree Kris. I think another reason they tend to be separated is the barriers that exist regarding travel and visas. On an operational and logistical level, it would pose many problems that would likely limit or decrease engagement.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> -Michael
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Sorry to interrupt but I am very doubtful having Arab league and Israel together would not help at all. In many organizations Israel is put under Europe rather than Middle East. 
>>>> 
>>>> I think the logical thinking is to elude any clash.
>>>> 
>>>> But again I've observed many situations where we needed this split to stay clean. IEEE does that and so many others. I would prefer we be careful.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Kris
>>>> 
>>>>> On 5 May 2017, at 10:54, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>>>>> These definitions are very arbitrary. If ICANN wishes to rely on a definition of MEAC provided by the Arab League, okay, but I think for the NCUC's regional subgroup, self-identification is a better path forward. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ayden  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Middle East and Adjoining Countries Group at NCUC
>>>>>> Local Time: 5 May 2017 7:50 AM
>>>>>> UTC Time: 5 May 2017 06:50
>>>>>> From: mike.oghia at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also to add to the clarification, my understanding is that Israel is considered part of the European region in ICANN, hence why it is not included within the remit of the MEAC Strategy Working Group. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> +1 to Farzi's idea that if you self-identify as being a part of the region, you can join the NCUC's regional subgroup.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ayden  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Middle East and Adjoining Countries Group at NCUC
>>>>>>>> Local Time: 4 May 2017 9:45 PM
>>>>>>>> UTC Time: 4 May 2017 20:45
>>>>>>>> From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> To: avri at acm.org
>>>>>>>> ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Avri, I believe Farzaneh corrected the mistake and added Israel as a full participant to the regional ncuc group. I don't think they should be considered as observers but participants.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I want to commend this initiative and call on other regions to organize. Our Africa rep has initiated this for the region and we hope we strenghen it in Johanesbourg as we will likely have so many African members.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Arsene
>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>> Arsène Tungali,
>>>>>>>> about.me/ArseneTungali
>>>>>>>> +243 993810967
>>>>>>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>>>>>>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> > On May 4, 2017, at 5:35 PM, avri doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > For clarification, Israelis may observe but not participate?
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > avri
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> >> On 04-May-17 11:22, farzaneh badii wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for adding Turkey, that was my oversight. I have seen tweets
>>>>>>>> >> asserting that I ( personally) did not include Israel in this group. I
>>>>>>>> >> took the membership list of the MEAC group ( Middle East and Adjoining
>>>>>>>> >> Countries which said 22 Arab Countries and the three other countries).
>>>>>>>> >> Israel was not in the list. As you see there was oversight by me not
>>>>>>>> >> to include Turkey either. So I might have used an old list. Of course
>>>>>>>> >> members from Israel are welcome to join. And any other country that
>>>>>>>> >> MEAC does not include but it sees itself fitting the Middle East region. 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:nadira.araj at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> Thank you Farzi for keeping initiating the regional sub-group NCUC. 
>>>>>>>> >> May I add Turkey to be in listed among the MEAC countries. 
>>>>>>>> >> You can consider this email as interest to join. 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> Nadira 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> On May 4, 2017 4:54 PM, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> Hello NCUC,
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> It has been our plan for awhile to create a Middle East and
>>>>>>>> >> Adjoining countries NCUC group to discuss the regions
>>>>>>>> >> noncommercial domain registrants and domain name users rights. 
>>>>>>>> >> It is good to bring a focus on this sub-region at NCUC. I hope
>>>>>>>> >> this initiative will be useful for that region. If you think
>>>>>>>> >> other regional sub groups (Eastern Europe, CIS, Pacific etc)
>>>>>>>> >> would be useful and you want to shepherd it, please feel free
>>>>>>>> >> to contact your regional representative.
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> Those who are based in the 22 Arab Nations , Iran, Afghanistan
>>>>>>>> >> and Pakistan, or are familiar with domain name issues in these
>>>>>>>> >> regions, please feel free to volunteer to join this group.
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> You can state your interest by contacting me.
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> Best 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>> >> 
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