[NCUC-DISCUSS] Middle East and Adjoining Countries Group at NCUC

Fri May 5 09:14:20 CEST 2017

I agree Ayden, and for the purpose of this list (the NCUC Middle East and
Adjoining Countries list) anyone from the 22 Arab states, Iran, Turkey,
Afghanistan, Pakistan, *AND* Israel or those "familiar with domain name
issues in these regions" may join.

I was simply adding clarification about why the MEAC Strategy Working Group
(MEAC-SWG) does not include Israel in case there were any lingering
questions. Each country also corresponds to a different region (any country
mentioned in Asia is with Asia-Pacific, while North African ones are with
Africa).

-Michael

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:

> We are talking about a regional mailing list here. Can we keep this in
> perspective please? We do not need to spend our limited resources dividing
> the world into arbitrary groupings; let people join and participate in
> whatever mailing list they want, if they identify as being a member of that
> community. Thank you.
>
> Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Middle East and Adjoining Countries Group at
> NCUC
> Local Time: 5 May 2017 8:04 AM
> UTC Time: 5 May 2017 07:04
> From: mike.oghia at gmail.com
> To: Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com>
> Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>, ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <
> ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>
> I agree Kris. I think another reason they tend to be separated is the
> barriers that exist regarding travel and visas. On an operational and
> logistical level, it would pose many problems that would likely limit or
> decrease engagement.
>
> Best,
> -Michael
>
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry to interrupt but I am very doubtful having Arab league and Israel
>> together would not help at all. In many organizations Israel is put under
>> Europe rather than Middle East.
>>
>> I think the logical thinking is to elude any clash.
>>
>> But again I've observed many situations where we needed this split to
>> stay clean. IEEE does that and so many others. I would prefer we be careful.
>>
>>
>> Kris
>>
>> On 5 May 2017, at 10:54, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>>
>> These definitions are very arbitrary. If ICANN wishes to rely on a
>> definition of MEAC provided by the Arab League, okay, but I think for the
>> NCUC's regional subgroup, self-identification is a better path forward.
>>
>> Ayden
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Middle East and Adjoining Countries Group at
>> NCUC
>> Local Time: 5 May 2017 7:50 AM
>> UTC Time: 5 May 2017 06:50
>> From: mike.oghia at gmail.com
>> To: ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>
>> Also to add to the clarification, my understanding is that Israel is
>> considered part of the European region in ICANN, hence why it is not
>> included within the remit of the MEAC Strategy Working Group.
>>
>> Best,
>> -Michael
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 to Farzi's idea that if you self-identify as being a part of the
>>> region, you can join the NCUC's regional subgroup.
>>>
>>> Ayden
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Middle East and Adjoining Countries Group at
>>> NCUC
>>> Local Time: 4 May 2017 9:45 PM
>>> UTC Time: 4 May 2017 20:45
>>> From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com
>>> To: avri at acm.org
>>> ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>>>
>>> Avri, I believe Farzaneh corrected the mistake and added Israel as a
>>> full participant to the regional ncuc group. I don't think they should be
>>> considered as observers but participants.
>>>
>>> I want to commend this initiative and call on other regions to organize.
>>> Our Africa rep has initiated this for the region and we hope we strenghen
>>> it in Johanesbourg as we will likely have so many African members.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Arsene
>>> -----------------
>>> Arsène Tungali,
>>> about.me/ArseneTungali
>>> +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967>
>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>>>
>>> > On May 4, 2017, at 5:35 PM, avri doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > For clarification, Israelis may observe but not participate?
>>> >
>>> > avri
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On 04-May-17 11:22, farzaneh badii wrote:
>>> >> Thank you for adding Turkey, that was my oversight. I have seen tweets
>>> >> asserting that I ( personally) did not include Israel in this group. I
>>> >> took the membership list of the MEAC group ( Middle East and Adjoining
>>> >> Countries which said 22 Arab Countries and the three other countries).
>>> >> Israel was not in the list. As you see there was oversight by me not
>>> >> to include Turkey either. So I might have used an old list. Of course
>>> >> members from Israel are welcome to join. And any other country that
>>> >> MEAC does not include but it sees itself fitting the Middle East
>>> region.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Farzaneh
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com
>>> >> <mailto:nadira.araj at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Thank you Farzi for keeping initiating the regional sub-group NCUC.
>>> >> May I add Turkey to be in listed among the MEAC countries.
>>> >> You can consider this email as interest to join.
>>> >>
>>> >> Nadira
>>> >>
>>> >> On May 4, 2017 4:54 PM, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>>> >> <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hello NCUC,
>>> >>
>>> >> It has been our plan for awhile to create a Middle East and
>>> >> Adjoining countries NCUC group to discuss the regions
>>> >> noncommercial domain registrants and domain name users rights.
>>> >> It is good to bring a focus on this sub-region at NCUC. I hope
>>> >> this initiative will be useful for that region. If you think
>>> >> other regional sub groups (Eastern Europe, CIS, Pacific etc)
>>> >> would be useful and you want to shepherd it, please feel free
>>> >> to contact your regional representative.
>>> >>
>>> >> Those who are based in the 22 Arab Nations , Iran, Afghanistan
>>> >> and Pakistan, or are familiar with domain name issues in these
>>> >> regions, please feel free to volunteer to join this group.
>>> >>
>>> >> You can state your interest by contacting me.
>>> >>
>>> >> Best
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Farzaneh
>>> >>
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