[NCUC-DISCUSS] Recording and Attendance: NCUC Joburg Outreach Planning Call 02 May 2017

Thu May 4 17:18:39 CEST 2017

Thanks for sharing
Nice call.
Please include me in the next call.
Regards
Remmy

On 4 May 2017 14:30, "Yolanda Mlonzi" <mamiyaomhle at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Maryam and all,
>
> Thanks to all of you who participated in this meeting and the draft agenda
> looks great.
>
> I love the policy practice suggestion, from my experience with the African
> School on Internet Governance (AfriSIG) this session is always a fan
> favourite! Also a great way for participants and newcomers to familiarise
> themselves with key policy issues & how  processes play out.
>
>
> Excited to attend.
>
> Yolanda.
>
> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Please find below attendance and recording of the NCUC Johannesburg
>> Outreach Planning Call, of 02 May 2017.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Attendance*: Ayden Ferdeline, Bruna Santos, Farzaneh Badii,
>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro, Tapani Tarvainen, Thato Mfikwe, Stephanie Perrin,
>> Tatiana Tropina, Ines Hfaiedh
>>
>>
>>
>> *AC Recording URL*: https://participate.icann.org/p4m8vxbqans/
>> <https://participate.icann.org/p4m8vxbqans/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=d2528454b9e1fc78ef23605c6bb09a127bae02b9f04f3574b80fb1eee75451b3>
>>
>>
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>> *AC Chat:*
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>> Ayden Férdeline: hi all
>>
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>> Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome to the NCUC Outreach Planning call
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>> Maryam Bakoshi: welcome Ayden & Bruna
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>> Bruna Santos: Hello, Maryan and Ayden!
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>> Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome Farzi
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>> Farzaneh Badii: Thanks Maryam
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>> Farzaneh Badii: Here is the program we will work on
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>> Farzaneh Badii: https://docs.google.com/docume
>> nt/d/1LNOhU4aA8nADssrwKG-x8_7nHGRjn6rdMpCS99aOaPU/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>>
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>> Farzaneh Badii: I was hoping that we get some participants from Africa to
>> discuss how we should approach topics
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>> Farzaneh Badii: Maryam we wait a bit for Thato
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>> Farzaneh Badii: he said he could make it
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>> Maryam Bakoshi: Ok great, thank you
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>> Ayden Férdeline: i'll send a quick message to Stephanie to see if she is
>> online
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>> Ayden Férdeline: i can hear Maryam
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Hi there
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I think you have to count w/ folks coming a bit
>> late
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: it's university, it's far
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>> Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome Renata
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Thanks Maryam
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: should I reach out to the whatsapp people for this
>> meeting? Nadira?
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: which bullet? can't scroll
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: ah sorry in my face :(
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: So an outline - local experts (academia), regional
>> CSOs (APC + partners), local partners (zadna + thato's references)
>>
>>
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>> Farzaneh Badii: oh that's interesting. for privacy that would be perfect
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: GJM, Lucien Pierce, Sizne Snall ka Mutze
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: UNISA one of the them
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Bruna, I think we need to find out who the major
>> organization there is but I don't think CGI can help us. Maybe Lusnic can
>> send in someone from Angola
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>>
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>> Tapani Tarvainen: Apologies for joining late.
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>> Bruna Santos: Yes, @renata
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Hi Tapani
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>> Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome Tapani & Thato
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Sizwe apparently is a BRICS cyberlaw scholar,
>> quite interesting
>>
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>> Bruna Santos: they're all the names that Claudio mentioned to us.
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: which is the doc address again?
>>
>>
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>> Farzaneh Badii: https://docs.google.com/docume
>> nt/d/1LNOhU4aA8nADssrwKG-x8_7nHGRjn6rdMpCS99aOaPU/edit
>>
>>
>>
>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: tks Farzi
>>
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>>
>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I think would be good to have at least 1 regional
>> speaker in any roundtable
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: at least as moderator
>>
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>> Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome Stephanie
>>
>>
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline: :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin: Sorry to be late, my email has been down at the
>> university since Friday, so I am missing a lot
>>
>>
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>> Thato: internet shutdowns, taking from AFRINIC policy directives and role
>> of non commercial constituency role are proposed prog items
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: indeed
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: super
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>> Bruna Santos: Agreed! would be amazing
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I think it is something we can do in the end of
>> the day
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>> Ayden Férdeline: I think confusion would arise, unfortunately.
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: a general debate about how things interconnect
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>> Thato: Cant hear clearly connectivity problem on my side.
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: ICANN doesnt do that but its important to deal w/
>> human rights issues in domain name policy too
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i think that would be a good message
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: true
>>
>>
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>> Ayden Férdeline: I think we need to keep the message simple, and focus on
>> what we want out of the participants, i.e. where do you we want people
>> volunteering in our activities?
>>
>>
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>> Thato: As much info be specific as possible it also needs relevance
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: A setting the scene would be good
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: yes agree on thato
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>> Stephanie Perrin: That would be great, and I agree we need an MC
>>
>>
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>> Bruna Santos: +1
>>
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>> Maryam Bakoshi: Sorry we dont have one on this call!
>>
>>
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>> Maryam Bakoshi: I mean dial out
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>> Thato: wanted clarity on what I need to do. The venue has been booked.
>>
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>> Maryam Bakoshi: Thato there is a mic button on the main Tab(s)
>>
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>> Maryam Bakoshi: if you press that button it should connect your audio
>>
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>> Stephanie Perrin: Short day Friday for those of us flying in/...
>>
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>> Thato: Full day on Saturday and short day on Friday.
>>
>>
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>> Stephanie Perrin: I dont know about you youngsters, but I am going to
>> need a nap
>>
>>
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>> Ayden Férdeline: For local participants, I think Friday is a business day
>> so they might be able to get out of the office or classroom, whereas
>> Saturday is taking up their weekend....
>>
>>
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>> Stephanie Perrin: Lets get them used to ICANN participation.....weekends,
>> what are weekends??
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: C'mon stephanie, you're way more energetic than us
>>
>>
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin: You are all very sweet, but I can assure you after 26
>> hours economy I am going to look like death warmed over.....
>>
>>
>>
>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i agree local participants ditching work to go to
>> our outreach would prefer an all day
>>
>>
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>> Thato: As long as we have refreshments and keep the prog interesting,
>> especially on Friday we will get sufficient support
>>
>>
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>> Stephanie Perrin: I think we need to get our mentee, buddying system
>> working better.
>>
>>
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>> Tapani Tarvainen: South African wines are very good. :-)
>>
>>
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>> Ayden Férdeline: very good point Tapani ;-)
>>
>>
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>> Stephanie Perrin: Maybe we could spend some time asking them what kind of
>> help they would appreciate to get going, ask about comparable  experiences
>>
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>> Stephanie Perrin: I am happy to talk about privacy
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: which part?
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>> Ayden Férdeline: i am happy to talk
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>> Stephanie Perrin: and council if there are no other councillors rrrre
>>
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>> Stephanie Perrin: there
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>> Farzaneh Badii: https://docs.google.com/docume
>> nt/d/1LNOhU4aA8nADssrwKG-x8_7nHGRjn6rdMpCS99aOaPU/edit
>>
>>
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>> Ayden Férdeline: yes. positive, upbeat, exciting.
>>
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>> Thato: I saw my name as a speaker on the draft google doc, will it be
>> around my experience in NCUC, position of local chapter or what? Second day
>> would be good with panel discussions.
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>> Bruna Santos: I am very new to NCUC, but i'd be glad to participate!
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: ok tks
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: when would be the lightning talks?
>>
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>> Farzaneh Badii: no you are right
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>> Tatiana Tropina: Hi all
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>> Tatiana Tropina: Sorry - I was at the jurisdiction meeting. Happy it
>> ended early and I can join
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Ah ok clearer now
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Highly agree
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I like the anecdote too
>>
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>> Stephanie Perrin: Hi TT!
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I can also work on a visual of our members
>> accomplishments, the Internet Freedom Forum twitter coverage by Benjamin
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: NCUC workshops in IGF
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: WSIS and other images
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>> Bruna Santos: @renata maybe a map of events that NCUC has participated
>>
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>> Thato: Regarding ZADNA they have been very busy but they agreed that they
>> will be participating in the outreach. With the intro of DotAfrica they
>> will pull crowds. sorry to take you back.
>>
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>> Tatiana Tropina: A map should be quite impressive
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>> Stephanie Perrin: Maybe it is a question that anriette can help us
>> with....
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: agree a map would be super cool
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: brasilia will be in the center of the world as
>> always haha
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>> Bruna Santos: I can help you guys with that!
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>> Tatiana Tropina: Renata :D
>>
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>> Bruna Santos: ok!
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>> Stephanie Perrin: I think we need to be really clear that content and
>> bandwidth are things we cannot help with.....drawing the line between free
>> expression and content control is a delicate operation, and I do think we
>> should try to explain that in the context of ICANN's role.
>>
>>
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>> Tatiana Tropina: we have quite a few in Europe - so I can help :P
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i love maps and their subjectivities
>>
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>> Tatiana Tropina: Yes I am.
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>> Tatiana Tropina: Sorry I was at Jurisdiction call farz, as agreed but
>> joined right after it ended
>>
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>> Thato: Students who in tye law, media and communication desciplines.
>> mainly civic society and includinguthe AFRISIG class. I can hear everything.
>>
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>> Tatiana Tropina: I think we can appeal to two thngs: personal achievemnt
>> (what they gain for themselves/experience) and higher goals - civil society
>> interests, etc
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>>
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>> Ayden Férdeline: I loathe to ask them because I think they are not
>> strictly civil society, but if necessary, I can ask my contacts at the Web
>> Foundation or the Alliance for Affordable Internet to either come to our
>> session or to help us attract speakers. Many of their staff are in South
>> Africa.
>>
>>
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>> Ayden Férdeline: But if we find ourselves needing more attendees at the
>> last-minute I can reach out, and suspect they will be helpful.
>>
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>> Thato: oanApologies for typos: activits and we will be engaging acsis, a
>> pan african civic organisation and other human rights organisations and
>> lawyers.
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>> Ayden Férdeline: Onica, I will add her
>>
>>
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>> Ayden Férdeline: http://webfoundation.org/about
>> /executive-team/onica-makwakwa/
>>
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>> Ayden Férdeline: she is an NCUC member
>>
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>> Thato: Agree with Renata
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>> Bruna Santos: yes, Renata!
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I think we can say that the grants they seek are
>> of themes close to NCUC's work
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I am adding that to the doc
>>
>>
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>> Ayden Férdeline: I think there is not a common African definition; how
>> privacy is conceived in SOuth Africa is very different from, say, in Egypt
>> or Tanzania.
>>
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii: https://docs.google.com/docume
>> nt/d/1LNOhU4aA8nADssrwKG-x8_7nHGRjn6rdMpCS99aOaPU/edit
>>
>>
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline: I love the idea of the role play
>>
>>
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>> Ines Hfaiedh: Good morning everyone. I just had a break now.
>>
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>> Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome Ines
>>
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>> Ines Hfaiedh: role play seems nice
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>> Bruna Santos: I like the role play as well !
>>
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>> Tatiana Tropina: Role play is always is great idea
>>
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>> Stephanie Perrin: I think it is really important that the audience
>> participates, not just listening to talking heads
>>
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>> Ayden Férdeline: We add one more experienced member to each group of role
>> play participants
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>>
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>> Tatiana Tropina: Well I did several in my life and yes it does need lots
>> of dedication
>>
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>> Tatiana Tropina: happy to help in preparation
>>
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>> Stephanie Perrin: We need to seed the participants with some keen folks
>> who do it well.....Renata, how many of your folks from Copenhagnen will be
>> there, they were keen
>>
>>
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>> Tatiana Tropina: for teh start: better to make it very focused and with a
>> *very* defined question unless you have a several days to play. The clearer
>> the better
>>
>>
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>> Stephanie Perrin: I think we need a registrar.....
>>
>>
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>> Tatiana Tropina: Greg would be good.
>>
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>> Tatiana Tropina: Steve too
>>
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>> Ayden Férdeline: they might poison the views of our participants
>>
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>> Tatiana Tropina: Farz LOL
>>
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>> Ines Hfaiedh: lol
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>> Bruna Santos: haha
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>> Thato: My battery dying, will reconnect soon
>>
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>> Stephanie Perrin: That is my fear, we need a registrrr to keep them
>> honest.  INvite michele, we can have a real argument
>>
>>
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>> Ayden Férdeline: we can speak to their ideas as well, but also provide
>> rebuttals to some of their arguments
>>
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>> Tatiana Tropina: Woalking in someone's shoes allows people to better
>> defend themselves in the future (that's basically the main idea of any role
>> play)
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: NCPC will be represented by Bruna Stephanie
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: They are keen, should be a baptism of fire see if
>> they stay as inspired as in copenhagen
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>>
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>> Ayden Férdeline: 90 minutes is reasonable
>>
>>
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>> Tatiana Tropina: two hours at least.
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: 2h
>>
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>> Stephanie Perrin: It would be good if our experts could mentor the folks
>> playing their role eg Shatan mentors the IP person, Michele the registrar,
>> me or Ayden the privacy advocate......we need a real turkey to mentor the
>> private secto  law enforcement
>>
>>
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>> Tatiana Tropina: 90 min is not really enough for role play
>>
>>
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>> Ayden Férdeline: 90 minutes, short break, then another 30 minutes?
>>
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>> Ines Hfaiedh: 90 min is fine so that the audience doesnt become passive
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i am not a fan of role play so should sit out here
>> though
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: but i think it could work
>>
>>
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>> Bruna Santos: Omg NCPC is smth that will follow me forever! But Im one of
>> the new and I'll be in Joburg!
>>
>>
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>> Tatiana Tropina: it usually take some time for peope to adjust (from my
>> experience)
>>
>>
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline: has anyone else participated in ISOC's collaborative
>> leadership exchange?
>>
>>
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina: well unless you make them all just individual players -
>> because if there are stakeholder groups you have to give people time to
>> work in groups as well
>>
>>
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>> Tatiana Tropina: Ayden, I didn't... I led and helped with several role
>> plays in the past couple of years and they always took longer as planned
>> even with strict time management
>>
>>
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>> Tatiana Tropina: so I'd rather gave it two hours. And yes, last year I
>> led one in Meissen together with Avri
>>
>>
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>> Tatiana Tropina: break yes :)
>>
>>
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>> Tatiana Tropina: agree that break works very well
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: yes break to breathe
>>
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>> Bruna Santos: break!
>>
>>
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>> Tatiana Tropina: Normally breaks allow to finalise the positions and
>> discuss
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i think the lightning talks dont really need
>> break, folks can go talking as much as in time permits, open space, like a
>> mad group town square
>>
>>
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin: Well it will be important to say afterwards, now forget
>> everything Shatan said,......
>>
>>
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>> Tapani Tarvainen: Ceterum censeo Shatan obliviscata est.
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Tapani taking too seriously a multilingual
>> internet :D
>>
>>
>>
>> Ines Hfaiedh: we did something similar at the Leadership Program prior to
>> icann 58
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i like the agenda hacking bit
>>
>>
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>> Ines Hfaiedh: thank you Ayden
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: we could do that on the lightning talks
>>
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>> Ayden Férdeline: sure, will bullet point. but it does need a strong MC!
>>
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>> Stephanie Perrin: Yes I think agenda hacknng is a great idea
>>
>>
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>> Ayden Férdeline: agenda hacking and getting people to stand up - no one
>> wants to sit for 2 days
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: not a fan of standing up
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: but yes, many folks are doing it
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: at least, give a good reason
>>
>>
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline: doesn't have to be standing up for long, i am thinking
>> just for 30 minutes for the welcome, and pre-lunch debrief
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruna Santos: Having other stakeholders would be nice for providing a
>> broad view on Icann, but we could end up becoming an outreach for them! I
>> find it important, but as everyone said: we have to put some thought into
>> it!
>>
>>
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina: you also can't be sure that Greg and other will actually
>> be there on the day of outreach
>>
>>
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline: I appreciate that people do have affiliations across
>> stakeholder groups, but I see this session as an NCUC recruiting event. I
>> think we should be focused on what the NCUC is looking to get out of this
>> session. We are spending $7,000 of our resources here; what is the return
>> we want?
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruna Santos: Also like the Agenda Hacking moment - maybe NCUC guiding
>> people through what would be the important meetings to us
>>
>>
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline: Agenda hacking requires a strong MC to lead and to
>> readjust everything on the fly
>>
>>
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina: That's an interesting point Ayden - for me it was always
>> important to know that there are also interesting peopl on the "other side"
>>
>>
>>
>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i also like the "other side", "other ppl". Not
>> having them there just would raise my curiosity
>>
>>
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin: sounds good
>>
>>
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin: can we not get ICANN to cough up a cocktail?
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: tks this was very productive, we advanced a lot
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: yet there is a lot to do :D
>>
>>
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina: thank Farzy and thanks a lot all
>>
>>
>>
>> Ines Hfaiedh: 2 role plays of 3 hours each with a lunch break in between
>>
>>
>>
>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: would be good Stephanie since those universities
>> folks are amazing
>>
>>
>>
>> Thato: just got back
>>
>>
>>
>> Ines Hfaiedh: thanks Farzaneh and everyone :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin: Let ee know if you need someone to recruit a GAC rep, I
>> could ask my Canadian colleagues....
>>
>>
>>
>> Thato: Okay
>>
>>
>>
>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I agree
>>
>>
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin: Ok will see if I can get someone
>>
>>
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>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: GAC also raises curiosity always
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruna Santos: Thanks everyone!
>>
>>
>>
>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: tks!
>>
>>
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline: thanks all
>>
>>
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline: bye
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruna Santos: bye
>>
>>
>>
>> Thato: yes we can get additional space if required. thanks
>>
>>
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>> Maryam Bakoshi: Thank you all for attending, this meeting is ended.
>>
>>
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin: Thanks Farzi, great job chairing!!
>>
>>
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>> Tapani Tarvainen: bye all
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Many thanks,
>>
>> --
>>
>> Maryam Bakoshi
>>
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