[NCUC-DISCUSS] Recording and Attendance: NCUC Joburg Outreach Planning Call 02 May 2017

[Yolanda Mlonzi]

Hi Maryam and all,

Thanks to all of you who participated in this meeting and the draft agenda
looks great.

I love the policy practice suggestion, from my experience with the African
School on Internet Governance (AfriSIG) this session is always a fan
favourite! Also a great way for participants and newcomers to familiarise
themselves with key policy issues & how  processes play out.


Excited to attend.

Yolanda.

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
wrote:

> Dear all,
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> Please find below attendance and recording of the NCUC Johannesburg
> Outreach Planning Call, of 02 May 2017.
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> *Attendance*: Ayden Ferdeline, Bruna Santos, Farzaneh Badii,
> Renata Aquino Ribeiro, Tapani Tarvainen, Thato Mfikwe, Stephanie Perrin,
> Tatiana Tropina, Ines Hfaiedh
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> *AC Recording URL*: https://participate.icann.org/p4m8vxbqans/
> <https://participate.icann.org/p4m8vxbqans/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=d2528454b9e1fc78ef23605c6bb09a127bae02b9f04f3574b80fb1eee75451b3>
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> *AC Chat:*
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> Ayden Férdeline: hi all
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> Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome to the NCUC Outreach Planning call
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> Maryam Bakoshi: welcome Ayden & Bruna
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> Bruna Santos: Hello, Maryan and Ayden!
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> Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome Farzi
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> Farzaneh Badii: Thanks Maryam
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> Farzaneh Badii: Here is the program we will work on
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> Farzaneh Badii: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LNOhU4aA8nADssrwKG-x8_
> 7nHGRjn6rdMpCS99aOaPU/edit?usp=sharing
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> Farzaneh Badii: I was hoping that we get some participants from Africa to
> discuss how we should approach topics
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> Farzaneh Badii: Maryam we wait a bit for Thato
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> Farzaneh Badii: he said he could make it
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> Maryam Bakoshi: Ok great, thank you
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> Ayden Férdeline: i'll send a quick message to Stephanie to see if she is
> online
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> Ayden Férdeline: i can hear Maryam
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Hi there
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I think you have to count w/ folks coming a bit
> late
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: it's university, it's far
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> Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome Renata
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Thanks Maryam
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: should I reach out to the whatsapp people for this
> meeting? Nadira?
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: which bullet? can't scroll
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: ah sorry in my face :(
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: So an outline - local experts (academia), regional
> CSOs (APC + partners), local partners (zadna + thato's references)
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> Farzaneh Badii: oh that's interesting. for privacy that would be perfect
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: GJM, Lucien Pierce, Sizne Snall ka Mutze
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: UNISA one of the them
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Bruna, I think we need to find out who the major
> organization there is but I don't think CGI can help us. Maybe Lusnic can
> send in someone from Angola
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> Tapani Tarvainen: Apologies for joining late.
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> Bruna Santos: Yes, @renata
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Hi Tapani
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> Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome Tapani & Thato
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Sizwe apparently is a BRICS cyberlaw scholar, quite
> interesting
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> Bruna Santos: they're all the names that Claudio mentioned to us.
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: which is the doc address again?
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> Farzaneh Badii: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LNOhU4aA8nADssrwKG-x8_
> 7nHGRjn6rdMpCS99aOaPU/edit
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: tks Farzi
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I think would be good to have at least 1 regional
> speaker in any roundtable
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: at least as moderator
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> Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome Stephanie
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> Ayden Férdeline: :-)
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> Stephanie Perrin: Sorry to be late, my email has been down at the
> university since Friday, so I am missing a lot
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> Thato: internet shutdowns, taking from AFRINIC policy directives and role
> of non commercial constituency role are proposed prog items
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: indeed
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: super
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> Bruna Santos: Agreed! would be amazing
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I think it is something we can do in the end of the
> day
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> Ayden Férdeline: I think confusion would arise, unfortunately.
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: a general debate about how things interconnect
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> Thato: Cant hear clearly connectivity problem on my side.
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: ICANN doesnt do that but its important to deal w/
> human rights issues in domain name policy too
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i think that would be a good message
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: true
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> Ayden Férdeline: I think we need to keep the message simple, and focus on
> what we want out of the participants, i.e. where do you we want people
> volunteering in our activities?
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> Thato: As much info be specific as possible it also needs relevance
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: A setting the scene would be good
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: yes agree on thato
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> Stephanie Perrin: That would be great, and I agree we need an MC
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> Bruna Santos: +1
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> Maryam Bakoshi: Sorry we dont have one on this call!
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> Maryam Bakoshi: I mean dial out
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> Thato: wanted clarity on what I need to do. The venue has been booked.
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> Maryam Bakoshi: Thato there is a mic button on the main Tab(s)
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> Maryam Bakoshi: if you press that button it should connect your audio
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> Stephanie Perrin: Short day Friday for those of us flying in/...
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> Thato: Full day on Saturday and short day on Friday.
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> Stephanie Perrin: I dont know about you youngsters, but I am going to need
> a nap
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> Ayden Férdeline: For local participants, I think Friday is a business day
> so they might be able to get out of the office or classroom, whereas
> Saturday is taking up their weekend....
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> Stephanie Perrin: Lets get them used to ICANN participation.....weekends,
> what are weekends??
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: C'mon stephanie, you're way more energetic than us
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> Stephanie Perrin: You are all very sweet, but I can assure you after 26
> hours economy I am going to look like death warmed over.....
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i agree local participants ditching work to go to
> our outreach would prefer an all day
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> Thato: As long as we have refreshments and keep the prog interesting,
> especially on Friday we will get sufficient support
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> Stephanie Perrin: I think we need to get our mentee, buddying system
> working better.
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> Tapani Tarvainen: South African wines are very good. :-)
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> Ayden Férdeline: very good point Tapani ;-)
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> Stephanie Perrin: Maybe we could spend some time asking them what kind of
> help they would appreciate to get going, ask about comparable  experiences
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> Stephanie Perrin: I am happy to talk about privacy
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: which part?
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> Ayden Férdeline: i am happy to talk
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> Stephanie Perrin: and council if there are no other councillors rrrre
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> Stephanie Perrin: there
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> Farzaneh Badii: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LNOhU4aA8nADssrwKG-x8_
> 7nHGRjn6rdMpCS99aOaPU/edit
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> Ayden Férdeline: yes. positive, upbeat, exciting.
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> Thato: I saw my name as a speaker on the draft google doc, will it be
> around my experience in NCUC, position of local chapter or what? Second day
> would be good with panel discussions.
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> Bruna Santos: I am very new to NCUC, but i'd be glad to participate!
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: ok tks
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: when would be the lightning talks?
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> Farzaneh Badii: no you are right
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> Tatiana Tropina: Hi all
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> Tatiana Tropina: Sorry - I was at the jurisdiction meeting. Happy it ended
> early and I can join
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Ah ok clearer now
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Highly agree
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I like the anecdote too
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> Stephanie Perrin: Hi TT!
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I can also work on a visual of our members
> accomplishments, the Internet Freedom Forum twitter coverage by Benjamin
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: NCUC workshops in IGF
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: WSIS and other images
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> Bruna Santos: @renata maybe a map of events that NCUC has participated
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> Thato: Regarding ZADNA they have been very busy but they agreed that they
> will be participating in the outreach. With the intro of DotAfrica they
> will pull crowds. sorry to take you back.
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> Tatiana Tropina: A map should be quite impressive
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> Stephanie Perrin: Maybe it is a question that anriette can help us with....
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: agree a map would be super cool
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: brasilia will be in the center of the world as
> always haha
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> Bruna Santos: I can help you guys with that!
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> Tatiana Tropina: Renata :D
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> Bruna Santos: ok!
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> Stephanie Perrin: I think we need to be really clear that content and
> bandwidth are things we cannot help with.....drawing the line between free
> expression and content control is a delicate operation, and I do think we
> should try to explain that in the context of ICANN's role.
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> Tatiana Tropina: we have quite a few in Europe - so I can help :P
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i love maps and their subjectivities
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> Tatiana Tropina: Yes I am.
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> Tatiana Tropina: Sorry I was at Jurisdiction call farz, as agreed but
> joined right after it ended
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> Thato: Students who in tye law, media and communication desciplines.
> mainly civic society and includinguthe AFRISIG class. I can hear everything.
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> Tatiana Tropina: I think we can appeal to two thngs: personal achievemnt
> (what they gain for themselves/experience) and higher goals - civil society
> interests, etc
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> Ayden Férdeline: I loathe to ask them because I think they are not
> strictly civil society, but if necessary, I can ask my contacts at the Web
> Foundation or the Alliance for Affordable Internet to either come to our
> session or to help us attract speakers. Many of their staff are in South
> Africa.
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> Ayden Férdeline: But if we find ourselves needing more attendees at the
> last-minute I can reach out, and suspect they will be helpful.
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> Thato: oanApologies for typos: activits and we will be engaging acsis, a
> pan african civic organisation and other human rights organisations and
> lawyers.
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> Ayden Férdeline: Onica, I will add her
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> Ayden Férdeline: http://webfoundation.org/about/executive-team/onica-
> makwakwa/
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> Ayden Férdeline: she is an NCUC member
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> Thato: Agree with Renata
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> Bruna Santos: yes, Renata!
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I think we can say that the grants they seek are of
> themes close to NCUC's work
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I am adding that to the doc
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> Ayden Férdeline: I think there is not a common African definition; how
> privacy is conceived in SOuth Africa is very different from, say, in Egypt
> or Tanzania.
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> Farzaneh Badii: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LNOhU4aA8nADssrwKG-x8_
> 7nHGRjn6rdMpCS99aOaPU/edit
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> Ayden Férdeline: I love the idea of the role play
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> Ines Hfaiedh: Good morning everyone. I just had a break now.
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> Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome Ines
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> Ines Hfaiedh: role play seems nice
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> Bruna Santos: I like the role play as well !
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> Tatiana Tropina: Role play is always is great idea
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> Stephanie Perrin: I think it is really important that the audience
> participates, not just listening to talking heads
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> Ayden Férdeline: We add one more experienced member to each group of role
> play participants
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> Tatiana Tropina: Well I did several in my life and yes it does need lots
> of dedication
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> Tatiana Tropina: happy to help in preparation
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> Stephanie Perrin: We need to seed the participants with some keen folks
> who do it well.....Renata, how many of your folks from Copenhagnen will be
> there, they were keen
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> Tatiana Tropina: for teh start: better to make it very focused and with a
> *very* defined question unless you have a several days to play. The clearer
> the better
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> Stephanie Perrin: I think we need a registrar.....
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> Tatiana Tropina: Greg would be good.
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> Tatiana Tropina: Steve too
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> Ayden Férdeline: they might poison the views of our participants
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> Tatiana Tropina: Farz LOL
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> Ines Hfaiedh: lol
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> Bruna Santos: haha
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> Thato: My battery dying, will reconnect soon
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> Stephanie Perrin: That is my fear, we need a registrrr to keep them
> honest.  INvite michele, we can have a real argument
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> Ayden Férdeline: we can speak to their ideas as well, but also provide
> rebuttals to some of their arguments
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> Tatiana Tropina: Woalking in someone's shoes allows people to better
> defend themselves in the future (that's basically the main idea of any role
> play)
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: NCPC will be represented by Bruna Stephanie
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: They are keen, should be a baptism of fire see if
> they stay as inspired as in copenhagen
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> Ayden Férdeline: 90 minutes is reasonable
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> Tatiana Tropina: two hours at least.
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: 2h
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> Stephanie Perrin: It would be good if our experts could mentor the folks
> playing their role eg Shatan mentors the IP person, Michele the registrar,
> me or Ayden the privacy advocate......we need a real turkey to mentor the
> private secto  law enforcement
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> Tatiana Tropina: 90 min is not really enough for role play
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> Ayden Férdeline: 90 minutes, short break, then another 30 minutes?
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> Ines Hfaiedh: 90 min is fine so that the audience doesnt become passive
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i am not a fan of role play so should sit out here
> though
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: but i think it could work
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> Bruna Santos: Omg NCPC is smth that will follow me forever! But Im one of
> the new and I'll be in Joburg!
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> Tatiana Tropina: it usually take some time for peope to adjust (from my
> experience)
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> Ayden Férdeline: has anyone else participated in ISOC's collaborative
> leadership exchange?
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> Tatiana Tropina: well unless you make them all just individual players -
> because if there are stakeholder groups you have to give people time to
> work in groups as well
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> Tatiana Tropina: Ayden, I didn't... I led and helped with several role
> plays in the past couple of years and they always took longer as planned
> even with strict time management
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> Tatiana Tropina: so I'd rather gave it two hours. And yes, last year I led
> one in Meissen together with Avri
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> Tatiana Tropina: break yes :)
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> Tatiana Tropina: agree that break works very well
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: yes break to breathe
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> Bruna Santos: break!
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> Tatiana Tropina: Normally breaks allow to finalise the positions and
> discuss
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i think the lightning talks dont really need break,
> folks can go talking as much as in time permits, open space, like a mad
> group town square
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> Stephanie Perrin: Well it will be important to say afterwards, now forget
> everything Shatan said,......
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> Tapani Tarvainen: Ceterum censeo Shatan obliviscata est.
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Tapani taking too seriously a multilingual internet
> :D
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> Ines Hfaiedh: we did something similar at the Leadership Program prior to
> icann 58
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i like the agenda hacking bit
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> Ines Hfaiedh: thank you Ayden
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: we could do that on the lightning talks
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> Ayden Férdeline: sure, will bullet point. but it does need a strong MC!
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> Stephanie Perrin: Yes I think agenda hacknng is a great idea
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> Ayden Férdeline: agenda hacking and getting people to stand up - no one
> wants to sit for 2 days
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: not a fan of standing up
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: but yes, many folks are doing it
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: at least, give a good reason
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> Ayden Férdeline: doesn't have to be standing up for long, i am thinking
> just for 30 minutes for the welcome, and pre-lunch debrief
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> Bruna Santos: Having other stakeholders would be nice for providing a
> broad view on Icann, but we could end up becoming an outreach for them! I
> find it important, but as everyone said: we have to put some thought into
> it!
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> Tatiana Tropina: you also can't be sure that Greg and other will actually
> be there on the day of outreach
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> Ayden Férdeline: I appreciate that people do have affiliations across
> stakeholder groups, but I see this session as an NCUC recruiting event. I
> think we should be focused on what the NCUC is looking to get out of this
> session. We are spending $7,000 of our resources here; what is the return
> we want?
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> Bruna Santos: Also like the Agenda Hacking moment - maybe NCUC guiding
> people through what would be the important meetings to us
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> Ayden Férdeline: Agenda hacking requires a strong MC to lead and to
> readjust everything on the fly
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> Tatiana Tropina: That's an interesting point Ayden - for me it was always
> important to know that there are also interesting peopl on the "other side"
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i also like the "other side", "other ppl". Not
> having them there just would raise my curiosity
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> Stephanie Perrin: sounds good
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> Stephanie Perrin: can we not get ICANN to cough up a cocktail?
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: tks this was very productive, we advanced a lot
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: yet there is a lot to do :D
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> Tatiana Tropina: thank Farzy and thanks a lot all
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> Ines Hfaiedh: 2 role plays of 3 hours each with a lunch break in between
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: would be good Stephanie since those universities
> folks are amazing
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> Thato: just got back
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> Ines Hfaiedh: thanks Farzaneh and everyone :)
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> Stephanie Perrin: Let ee know if you need someone to recruit a GAC rep, I
> could ask my Canadian colleagues....
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> Thato: Okay
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I agree
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> Stephanie Perrin: Ok will see if I can get someone
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: GAC also raises curiosity always
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> Bruna Santos: Thanks everyone!
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> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: tks!
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> Ayden Férdeline: thanks all
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> Ayden Férdeline: bye
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> Bruna Santos: bye
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> Thato: yes we can get additional space if required. thanks
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> Maryam Bakoshi: Thank you all for attending, this meeting is ended.
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> Stephanie Perrin: Thanks Farzi, great job chairing!!
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> Tapani Tarvainen: bye all
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> Many thanks,
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> --
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> Maryam Bakoshi
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