[NCUC-DISCUSS] Recording and Attendance: NCUC Joburg Outreach Planning Call 02 May 2017

[Maryam Bakoshi]

Dear all,

Please find below attendance and recording of the NCUC Johannesburg Outreach Planning Call, of 02 May 2017.

Attendance: Ayden Ferdeline, Bruna Santos, Farzaneh Badii, Renata Aquino Ribeiro, Tapani Tarvainen, Thato Mfikwe, Stephanie Perrin, Tatiana Tropina, Ines Hfaiedh

AC Recording URL: https://participate.icann.org/p4m8vxbqans/<https://participate.icann.org/p4m8vxbqans/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=d2528454b9e1fc78ef23605c6bb09a127bae02b9f04f3574b80fb1eee75451b3>

AC Chat:

Ayden Férdeline: hi all

Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome to the NCUC Outreach Planning call

Maryam Bakoshi: welcome Ayden & Bruna

Bruna Santos: Hello, Maryan and Ayden!

Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome Farzi

Farzaneh Badii: Thanks Maryam

Farzaneh Badii: Here is the program we will work on

Farzaneh Badii: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LNOhU4aA8nADssrwKG-x8_7nHGRjn6rdMpCS99aOaPU/edit?usp=sharing

Farzaneh Badii: I was hoping that we get some participants from Africa to discuss how we should approach topics

Farzaneh Badii: Maryam we wait a bit for Thato

Farzaneh Badii: he said he could make it

Maryam Bakoshi: Ok great, thank you

Ayden Férdeline: i'll send a quick message to Stephanie to see if she is online

Ayden Férdeline: i can hear Maryam

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Hi there

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I think you have to count w/ folks coming a bit late

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: it's university, it's far

Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome Renata

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Thanks Maryam

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: should I reach out to the whatsapp people for this meeting? Nadira?

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: which bullet? can't scroll

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: ah sorry in my face :(

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: So an outline - local experts (academia), regional CSOs (APC + partners), local partners (zadna + thato's references)

Farzaneh Badii: oh that's interesting. for privacy that would be perfect

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: GJM, Lucien Pierce, Sizne Snall ka Mutze

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: UNISA one of the them

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Bruna, I think we need to find out who the major organization there is but I don't think CGI can help us. Maybe Lusnic can send in someone from Angola

Tapani Tarvainen: Apologies for joining late.

Bruna Santos: Yes, @renata

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Hi Tapani

Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome Tapani & Thato

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Sizwe apparently is a BRICS cyberlaw scholar, quite interesting

Bruna Santos: they're all the names that Claudio mentioned to us.

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: which is the doc address again?

Farzaneh Badii: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LNOhU4aA8nADssrwKG-x8_7nHGRjn6rdMpCS99aOaPU/edit

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: tks Farzi

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I think would be good to have at least 1 regional speaker in any roundtable

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: at least as moderator

Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome Stephanie

Ayden Férdeline: :-)

Stephanie Perrin: Sorry to be late, my email has been down at the university since Friday, so I am missing a lot

Thato: internet shutdowns, taking from AFRINIC policy directives and role of non commercial constituency role are proposed prog items

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: indeed

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: super

Bruna Santos: Agreed! would be amazing

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I think it is something we can do in the end of the day

Ayden Férdeline: I think confusion would arise, unfortunately.

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: a general debate about how things interconnect

Thato: Cant hear clearly connectivity problem on my side.

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: ICANN doesnt do that but its important to deal w/ human rights issues in domain name policy too

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i think that would be a good message

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: true

Ayden Férdeline: I think we need to keep the message simple, and focus on what we want out of the participants, i.e. where do you we want people  volunteering in our activities?

Thato: As much info be specific as possible it also needs relevance

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: A setting the scene would be good

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: yes agree on thato

Stephanie Perrin: That would be great, and I agree we need an MC

Bruna Santos: +1

Maryam Bakoshi: Sorry we dont have one on this call!

Maryam Bakoshi: I mean dial out

Thato: wanted clarity on what I need to do. The venue has been booked.

Maryam Bakoshi: Thato there is a mic button on the main Tab(s)

Maryam Bakoshi: if you press that button it should connect your audio

Stephanie Perrin: Short day Friday for those of us flying in/...

Thato: Full day on Saturday and short day on Friday.

Stephanie Perrin: I dont know about you youngsters, but I am going to need a nap

Ayden Férdeline: For local participants, I think Friday is a business day so they might be able to get out of the office or classroom, whereas Saturday is taking up their weekend....

Stephanie Perrin: Lets get them used to ICANN participation.....weekends, what are weekends??

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: C'mon stephanie, you're way more energetic than us

Stephanie Perrin: You are all very sweet, but I can assure you after 26 hours economy I am going to look like death warmed over.....

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i agree local participants ditching work to go to our outreach would prefer an all day

Thato: As long as we have refreshments and keep the prog interesting, especially on Friday we will get sufficient support

Stephanie Perrin: I think we need to get our mentee, buddying system working better.

Tapani Tarvainen: South African wines are very good. :-)

Ayden Férdeline: very good point Tapani ;-)

Stephanie Perrin: Maybe we could spend some time asking them what kind of help they would appreciate to get going, ask about comparable  experiences

Stephanie Perrin: I am happy to talk about privacy

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: which part?

Ayden Férdeline: i am happy to talk

Stephanie Perrin: and council if there are no other councillors rrrre

Stephanie Perrin: there

Farzaneh Badii: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LNOhU4aA8nADssrwKG-x8_7nHGRjn6rdMpCS99aOaPU/edit

Ayden Férdeline: yes. positive, upbeat, exciting.

Thato: I saw my name as a speaker on the draft google doc, will it be around my experience in NCUC, position of local chapter or what? Second day would be good with panel discussions.

Bruna Santos: I am very new to NCUC, but i'd be glad to participate!

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: ok tks

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: when would be the lightning talks?

Farzaneh Badii: no you are right

Tatiana Tropina: Hi all

Tatiana Tropina: Sorry - I was at the jurisdiction meeting. Happy it ended early and I can join

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Ah ok clearer now

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Highly agree

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I like the anecdote too

Stephanie Perrin: Hi TT!

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I can also work on a visual of our members accomplishments, the Internet Freedom Forum twitter coverage by Benjamin

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: NCUC workshops in IGF

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: WSIS and other images

Bruna Santos: @renata maybe a map of events that NCUC has participated

Thato: Regarding ZADNA they have been very busy but they agreed that they will be participating in the outreach. With the intro of DotAfrica they will pull crowds. sorry to take you back.

Tatiana Tropina: A map should be quite impressive

Stephanie Perrin: Maybe it is a question that anriette can help us with....

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: agree a map would be super cool

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: brasilia will be in the center of the world as always haha

Bruna Santos: I can help you guys with that!

Tatiana Tropina: Renata :D

Bruna Santos: ok!

Stephanie Perrin: I think we need to be really clear that content and bandwidth are things we cannot help with.....drawing the line between free expression and content control is a delicate operation, and I do think we should try to explain that in the context of ICANN's role.

Tatiana Tropina: we have quite a few in Europe - so I can help :P

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i love maps and their subjectivities

Tatiana Tropina: Yes I am.

Tatiana Tropina: Sorry I was at Jurisdiction call farz, as agreed but joined right after it ended

Thato: Students who in tye law, media and communication desciplines. mainly civic society and includinguthe AFRISIG class. I can hear everything.

Tatiana Tropina: I think we can appeal to two thngs: personal achievemnt (what they gain for themselves/experience) and higher goals - civil society interests, etc

Ayden Férdeline: I loathe to ask them because I think they are not strictly civil society, but if necessary, I can ask my contacts at the Web Foundation or the Alliance for Affordable Internet to either come to our session or to help us attract speakers. Many of their staff are in South Africa.

Ayden Férdeline: But if we find ourselves needing more attendees at the last-minute I can reach out, and suspect they will be helpful.

Thato: oanApologies for typos: activits and we will be engaging acsis, a pan african civic organisation and other human rights organisations and lawyers.

Ayden Férdeline: Onica, I will add her

Ayden Férdeline: http://webfoundation.org/about/executive-team/onica-makwakwa/

Ayden Férdeline: she is an NCUC member

Thato: Agree with Renata

Bruna Santos: yes, Renata!

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I think we can say that the grants they seek are of themes close to NCUC's work

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I am adding that to the doc

Ayden Férdeline: I think there is not a common African definition; how privacy is conceived in SOuth Africa is very different from, say, in Egypt or Tanzania.

Farzaneh Badii: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LNOhU4aA8nADssrwKG-x8_7nHGRjn6rdMpCS99aOaPU/edit

Ayden Férdeline: I love the idea of the role play

Ines Hfaiedh: Good morning everyone. I just had a break now.

Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome Ines

Ines Hfaiedh: role play seems nice

Bruna Santos: I like the role play as well !

Tatiana Tropina: Role play is always is great idea

Stephanie Perrin: I think it is really important that the audience participates, not just listening to talking heads

Ayden Férdeline: We add one more experienced member to each group of role play participants

Tatiana Tropina: Well I did several in my life and yes it does need lots of dedication

Tatiana Tropina: happy to help in preparation

Stephanie Perrin: We need to seed the participants with some keen folks who do it well.....Renata, how many of your folks from Copenhagnen will be there, they were keen

Tatiana Tropina: for teh start: better to make it very focused and with a *very* defined question unless you have a several days to play. The clearer the better

Stephanie Perrin: I think we need a registrar.....

Tatiana Tropina: Greg would be good.

Tatiana Tropina: Steve too

Ayden Férdeline: they might poison the views of our participants

Tatiana Tropina: Farz LOL

Ines Hfaiedh: lol

Bruna Santos: haha

Thato: My battery dying, will reconnect soon

Stephanie Perrin: That is my fear, we need a registrrr to keep them honest.  INvite michele, we can have a real argument

Ayden Férdeline: we can speak to their ideas as well, but also provide rebuttals to some of their arguments

Tatiana Tropina: Woalking in someone's shoes allows people to better defend themselves in the future (that's basically the main idea of any role play)

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: NCPC will be represented by Bruna Stephanie

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: They are keen, should be a baptism of fire see if they stay as inspired as in copenhagen

Ayden Férdeline: 90 minutes is reasonable

Tatiana Tropina: two hours at least.

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: 2h

Stephanie Perrin: It would be good if our experts could mentor the folks playing their role eg Shatan mentors the IP person, Michele the registrar, me or Ayden the privacy advocate......we need a real turkey to mentor the private secto  law enforcement

Tatiana Tropina: 90 min is not really enough for role play

Ayden Férdeline: 90 minutes, short break, then another 30 minutes?

Ines Hfaiedh: 90 min is fine so that the audience doesnt become passive

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i am not a fan of role play so should sit out here though

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: but i think it could work

Bruna Santos: Omg NCPC is smth that will follow me forever! But Im one of the new and I'll be in Joburg!

Tatiana Tropina: it usually take some time for peope to adjust (from my experience)

Ayden Férdeline: has anyone else participated in ISOC's collaborative leadership exchange?

Tatiana Tropina: well unless you make them all just individual players - because if there are stakeholder groups you have to give people time to work in groups as well

Tatiana Tropina: Ayden, I didn't... I led and helped with several role plays in the past couple of years and they always took longer as planned even with strict time management

Tatiana Tropina: so I'd rather gave it two hours. And yes, last year I led one in Meissen together with Avri

Tatiana Tropina: break yes :)

Tatiana Tropina: agree that break works very well

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: yes break to breathe

Bruna Santos: break!

Tatiana Tropina: Normally breaks allow to finalise the positions and discuss

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i think the lightning talks dont really need break, folks can go talking as much as in time permits, open space, like a mad group town square

Stephanie Perrin: Well it will be important to say afterwards, now forget everything Shatan said,......

Tapani Tarvainen: Ceterum censeo Shatan obliviscata est.

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Tapani taking too seriously a multilingual internet :D

Ines Hfaiedh: we did something similar at the Leadership Program prior to icann 58

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i like the agenda hacking bit

Ines Hfaiedh: thank you Ayden

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: we could do that on the lightning talks

Ayden Férdeline: sure, will bullet point. but it does need a strong MC!

Stephanie Perrin: Yes I think agenda hacknng is a great idea

Ayden Férdeline: agenda hacking and getting people to stand up - no one wants to sit for 2 days

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: not a fan of standing up

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: but yes, many folks are doing it

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: at least, give a good reason

Ayden Férdeline: doesn't have to be standing up for long, i am thinking just for 30 minutes for the welcome, and pre-lunch debrief

Bruna Santos: Having other stakeholders would be nice for providing a broad view on Icann, but we could end up becoming an outreach for them! I find it important, but as everyone said: we have to put some thought into it!

Tatiana Tropina: you also can't be sure that Greg and other will actually be there on the day of outreach

Ayden Férdeline: I appreciate that people do have affiliations across stakeholder groups, but I see this session as an NCUC recruiting event. I think we should be focused on what the NCUC is looking to get out of this session. We are spending $7,000 of our resources here; what is the return we want?

Bruna Santos: Also like the Agenda Hacking moment - maybe NCUC guiding people through what would be the important meetings to us

Ayden Férdeline: Agenda hacking requires a strong MC to lead and to readjust everything on the fly

Tatiana Tropina: That's an interesting point Ayden - for me it was always important to know that there are also interesting peopl on the "other side"

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i also like the "other side", "other ppl". Not having them there just would raise my curiosity

Stephanie Perrin: sounds good

Stephanie Perrin: can we not get ICANN to cough up a cocktail?

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: tks this was very productive, we advanced a lot

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: yet there is a lot to do :D

Tatiana Tropina: thank Farzy and thanks a lot all

Ines Hfaiedh: 2 role plays of 3 hours each with a lunch break in between

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: would be good Stephanie since those universities folks are amazing

Thato: just got back

Ines Hfaiedh: thanks Farzaneh and everyone :)

Stephanie Perrin: Let ee know if you need someone to recruit a GAC rep, I could ask my Canadian colleagues....

Thato: Okay

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I agree

Stephanie Perrin: Ok will see if I can get someone

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: GAC also raises curiosity always

Bruna Santos: Thanks everyone!

Renata Aquino Ribeiro: tks!

Ayden Férdeline: thanks all

Ayden Férdeline: bye

Bruna Santos: bye

Thato: yes we can get additional space if required. thanks

Maryam Bakoshi: Thank you all for attending, this meeting is ended.

Stephanie Perrin: Thanks Farzi, great job chairing!!

Tapani Tarvainen: bye all


Many thanks,
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Maryam Bakoshi
Secretariat Support – NCSG/NCUC/NPOC
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
S: maryam.bakoshi.icann
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