[NCUC-DISCUSS] Facebook as an obligatory requirement for being ICANN60 fellow
thomascovenant
thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org
Fri Jul 28 02:48:26 CEST 2017
No problem. This issue is now resolved.
Programme director confirmed Facebook will not be an obligatory social
platform.
I asked for this message will also be clearly communicated to all new
fellows. This is great news and active NCUC discussion definitely had a
positive impact on the fast confirmation.
Solidarity,
Jalkanen Dina Solveig
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On 28.07.2017 03:31, Ginger Paque wrote:
> Thanks for the clarification, Dina.
>
> Then I certainly support discussion of this issue in a wider space, and
> appreciate previous offers to continue the discussion, and bring it up
> in other appropriate venues.
>
> I think it's a good idea to bring it up with the programme director as
> well. Good luck!
>
> Ginger
>
> Virginia Paque
> DiploFoundation
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 5:26 PM, thomascovenant
> <dinasolveig at thomascovenant.org <mailto:dinasolveig at thomascovenant.org>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Mamadou,
>
> agreed. I will share this thread with the Program director, I hope
> reconsidering this obligatory Facebook rule is possible.
>
> > I do not know it is the case here.
>
> Unfortunately I am not on the list as this is my first ICANN technical
> fellowship, which I am very happy to receive - though I hope it will not
> be the ICANN Facebook one. :)
>
> Jalkanen Dina Solveig
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> thomascovenant
> Friendly geek in Amsterdam chaos, FSFE Fellow
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>
>
> On 28.07.2017 01:05, Mamadou LO wrote:
> > Totally agree with Ginger but only those who have completed one
> > fellowship program are only included in the fellows mailing list. I do
> > not know it is the case here.
> > Mamadou
> >
> >
> >
> > Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy.
> >
> >
> > -------- Message d'origine --------
> > De : Ginger Paque <virginiap at diplomacy.edu
> <mailto:virginiap at diplomacy.edu>>
> > Date : 27/07/2017 21:21 (GMT+00:00)
> > À : "McLaughlin, Lisa" <mclauglm at miamioh.edu
> <mailto:mclauglm at miamioh.edu>>
> > Cc : NCUC-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
> <mailto:ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>>,
> > siranush.vardanyan at icann.org <mailto:siranush.vardanyan at icann.org>
> > Objet : Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Facebook as an obligatory requirement for
> > being ICANN60 fellow
> >
> > Sorry if I misunderstand the relationship between the NCUC and the
> ICANN
> > fellowship programme. A good start would be the ICANN fellowship
> > programme list, or at least a list like this one but including
> people at
> > the source. I hope it was clear that I totally agree with the points
> > made. FB is not an appropriate venue for an ICANN fellowship
> compulsory
> > group I only think the discussion should include ICANN fellowship
> people
> > who can respond and clarify, which started to happen by including
> > Siranush while I was writing, and posts were crossing each other, and
> > perhaps should have started with an email to the ICANN fellowship team
> > (perhaps it did, and I did not catch it).
> >
> > Not a FB fan, LIsa.
> > Ginger
> >
> > Virginia Paque
> > DiploFoundation
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:09 PM, McLaughlin, Lisa
> <mclauglm at miamioh.edu <mailto:mclauglm at miamioh.edu>
> > <mailto:mclauglm at miamioh.edu <mailto:mclauglm at miamioh.edu>>> wrote:
> >
> > Ginger, what would be an appropriate place to discuss ICANN
> > fellowship rules? Facebook?
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Lisa
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________
> > *
> > *
> > *For MJF course waitlist, go to this
> > site*: http://units.miamioh.edu/mjf/
> <http://units.miamioh.edu/mjf/>
> >
> > Lisa McLaughlin, Ph.D.
> > Associate Professor, Department of Media, Journalism & Film (Media
> > and Culture Program) and Department of Global and Intercultural
> > Studies (Women's, Gender, & Sexuality Studies Program)
> > Miami University-Ohio
> > USA
> >
> > Contact:
> > Department of Media, Journalism & Film
> > Williams Hall
> > Miami University
> > Oxford, OH 45056
> > USA
> > Tele: 513-529-3547 <tel:513-529-3547> <tel:(513)%20529-3547>
> > Fax: 513-529-1835 <tel:513-529-1835> <tel:(513)%20529-1835>
> > Email: mclauglm at miamioh.edu <mailto:mclauglm at miamioh.edu>
> <mailto:mclauglm at miamioh.edu <mailto:mclauglm at miamioh.edu>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Ginger Paque
> > <virginiap at diplomacy.edu <mailto:virginiap at diplomacy.edu>
> <mailto:virginiap at diplomacy.edu <mailto:virginiap at diplomacy.edu>>>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place to discuss ICANN
> > fellowship rules, although I think this is very important. When
> > I was an ICANN fellow, a mailing list was all that was required
> > for online communication. Non-commercial and more private
> > alternatives must be available, especially with ICANN's
> > resources, and Siranush's experience. Also ccing Siranush. I'm
> > glad this is being addressed. Thanks. ginger
> >
> > Virginia Paque
> > DiploFoundation
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Seun Ojedeji
> > <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
> <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Normally fellows are encouraged to participate in social
> > media for experience sharing to somewhat promote the
> program.
> >
> > That said, I agree that the choice of word used by staff
> > seem to imply a compulsory requirement but I want to
> believe
> > it's a lower "r" kindof requirement and they really don't
> > mean it as such.
> >
> > When I was a fellow there used to be a 7am fellows
> session(I
> > think it still happen) and I will hear Mama J say
> things in
> > the line of "coming promptly is a requirement....
> don't try
> > me guys". While we don't want to see the red part of
> Mama J,
> > some of us that goofed occasionally, found that it was
> > rather important and in our interest to be prompt as there
> > wasn't a checkbox that we ultimately has unchecked (if
> any).
> > So being a requirement became more of a secondary
> thing, the
> > value one get(or may loose) in not attending became
> primary.
> >
> > Overall there are good advantage and bonding that happens
> > via social media but ofcourse it should remain optional. I
> > think it's good to note this to staff and should be a
> minor
> > thing to fix.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Sent from my mobile
> > Kindly excuse brevity and typos
> >
> > On Jul 27, 2017 8:23 PM, "thomascovenant"
> > <thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org
> <mailto:thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org>
> > <mailto:thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org
> <mailto:thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org>>> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am writing about a general matter that can still be
> > quite important to
> > some.
> >
> > I respectfully disagree with making Facebook
> obligatory
> > for ICANN
> > Fellowship program participation, yet it doesn't seem
> > possible
> > to question this decision.
> >
> > Further, the decision to deny fellowship to those
> who do
> > not comply with
> > Facebook demand makes no sense to me.
> >
> > I would welcome diverse participation of FOSS
> community,
> > privacy
> > activists and ethical hacking communities in ICANN
> work.
> > It can be very
> > valuable.
> >
> > I don't want any single fellow be forced to compromise
> > their principles
> > in order to make volunteer contribution to ICANN work
> > (please read the
> > links below).
> >
> > At the moment this is solved by forcing to register
> > under a false name,
> > which is not the right thing to do on behalf of a
> large
> > organization.
> >
> > Alternative means of communication should be easily
> > available to those
> > who ask for them, minor detail of communication
> platform
> > should not be
> > the reason to discourage volunteer work.
> >
> > We also have Chinese and Iranian fellows. Some
> countries
> > impose FB
> > cencorship (wiki link below), which can also be an
> issue...
> >
> > What are your thoughts on this general subject?
> And how
> > a good solution
> > can be found?
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Dina Solveig Jalkanen,
> > grateful for technical fellowship to ICANN60
> >
> > Resources:
> >
> > FB Censorship:
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook>
> >
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook>>
> > Some information about Facebook from Richard Stallman:
> > https://stallman.org/facebook.htm
> <https://stallman.org/facebook.htm>
> > <https://stallman.org/facebook.htm
> <https://stallman.org/facebook.htm>>
> > http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook
> <http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook>
> > <http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook
> <http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook>>
> >
> > From public Fellowship emails by Siranush Vardanyan
> > Fellowship Program Manager, Public Responsibility
> > Support, ICANN:
> >
> > "Last but not least: Social Media I will be creating an
> > ICANN60 Facebook
> > page which is a required participation for this program.
> > Those who do not have Facebook page, please, create one,
> > as you will be
> > asked to join ICANN60 Facebook page."
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