[NCUC-DISCUSS] Facebook as an obligatory requirement for being ICANN60 fellow
thomascovenant
thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org
Fri Jul 28 00:17:01 CEST 2017
Hi Ginger,
I was asked not to raise this discussion among fellows by Siranush, and
I comply with his request:
>refrain sending group e-mail, and making spam for everybody (email
quoted earlier)
However, this Facebook issue is valid and rules should be open for
questioning. Addressing it with larger support could mean that it is not
regarded as spam, but rather as change in the community and awareness,
something worth looking into.
I started a thread here since it could help open the discussion and
point towards the formal procedure within ICANN to look into changing
this obligatory requirement on a general level.
It should be possible for every single fellow to opt out of Facebook
without loosing their fellowship. Asking for NCUC input seemed logical.
I see current FB requirement as discriminating towards FOSS, privacy and
ethical hacking community involvement within ICANN - as well as citizens
of censorship countries.
Your support on this is greatly appreciated.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen
* You are absolutely right, I could have included the emails from ICANN
Fellowship Program manager to new fellow list in my first post to make
this thread easier to read. o/
* I see your point of including Program manager in the discussion, I
will share this thread with him if he is not already on the list. I have
also replied privately and going into more detail on privacy issue.
--
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thomascovenant
Friendly geek in Amsterdam chaos, FSFE Fellow
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On 28.07.2017 00:19, Ginger Paque wrote:
> Sorry if I misunderstand the relationship between the NCUC and the ICANN
> fellowship programme. A good start would be the ICANN fellowship
> programme list, or at least a list like this one but including people at
> the source. I hope it was clear that I totally agree with the points
> made. FB is not an appropriate venue for an ICANN fellowship compulsory
> group I only think the discussion should include ICANN fellowship people
> who can respond and clarify, which started to happen by including
> Siranush while I was writing, and posts were crossing each other, and
> perhaps should have started with an email to the ICANN fellowship team
> (perhaps it did, and I did not catch it).
>
> Not a FB fan, LIsa.
> Ginger
>
> Virginia Paque
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> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:09 PM, McLaughlin, Lisa <mclauglm at miamioh.edu
> <mailto:mclauglm at miamioh.edu>> wrote:
>
> Ginger, what would be an appropriate place to discuss ICANN
> fellowship rules? Facebook?
>
> ;-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Lisa
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> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Ginger Paque
> <virginiap at diplomacy.edu <mailto:virginiap at diplomacy.edu>> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place to discuss ICANN
> fellowship rules, although I think this is very important. When
> I was an ICANN fellow, a mailing list was all that was required
> for online communication. Non-commercial and more private
> alternatives must be available, especially with ICANN's
> resources, and Siranush's experience. Also ccing Siranush. I'm
> glad this is being addressed. Thanks. ginger
>
> Virginia Paque
> DiploFoundation
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>
> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Seun Ojedeji
> <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Normally fellows are encouraged to participate in social
> media for experience sharing to somewhat promote the program.
>
> That said, I agree that the choice of word used by staff
> seem to imply a compulsory requirement but I want to believe
> it's a lower "r" kindof requirement and they really don't
> mean it as such.
>
> When I was a fellow there used to be a 7am fellows session(I
> think it still happen) and I will hear Mama J say things in
> the line of "coming promptly is a requirement.... don't try
> me guys". While we don't want to see the red part of Mama J,
> some of us that goofed occasionally, found that it was
> rather important and in our interest to be prompt as there
> wasn't a checkbox that we ultimately has unchecked (if any).
> So being a requirement became more of a secondary thing, the
> value one get(or may loose) in not attending became primary.
>
> Overall there are good advantage and bonding that happens
> via social media but ofcourse it should remain optional. I
> think it's good to note this to staff and should be a minor
> thing to fix.
>
> Regards
>
> Sent from my mobile
> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>
> On Jul 27, 2017 8:23 PM, "thomascovenant"
> <thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org
> <mailto:thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org>> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am writing about a general matter that can still be
> quite important to
> some.
>
> I respectfully disagree with making Facebook obligatory
> for ICANN
> Fellowship program participation, yet it doesn't seem
> possible
> to question this decision.
>
> Further, the decision to deny fellowship to those who do
> not comply with
> Facebook demand makes no sense to me.
>
> I would welcome diverse participation of FOSS community,
> privacy
> activists and ethical hacking communities in ICANN work.
> It can be very
> valuable.
>
> I don't want any single fellow be forced to compromise
> their principles
> in order to make volunteer contribution to ICANN work
> (please read the
> links below).
>
> At the moment this is solved by forcing to register
> under a false name,
> which is not the right thing to do on behalf of a large
> organization.
>
> Alternative means of communication should be easily
> available to those
> who ask for them, minor detail of communication platform
> should not be
> the reason to discourage volunteer work.
>
> We also have Chinese and Iranian fellows. Some countries
> impose FB
> cencorship (wiki link below), which can also be an issue...
>
> What are your thoughts on this general subject? And how
> a good solution
> can be found?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Dina Solveig Jalkanen,
> grateful for technical fellowship to ICANN60
>
> Resources:
>
> FB Censorship:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook>
> Some information about Facebook from Richard Stallman:
> https://stallman.org/facebook.htm
> <https://stallman.org/facebook.htm>
> http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook
> <http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook>
>
> From public Fellowship emails by Siranush Vardanyan
> Fellowship Program Manager, Public Responsibility
> Support, ICANN:
>
> "Last but not least: Social Media I will be creating an
> ICANN60 Facebook
> page which is a required participation for this program.
> Those who do not have Facebook page, please, create one,
> as you will be
> asked to join ICANN60 Facebook page."
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